Karanbir, Auka, and Joychi, I know we can work this out. What I see here is a breakdown in communication. Now I know that we are all reasonable adult here. Lets open this up for descusion and figure were we can find a middle ground in this. I think it's time to put it all on the table. I know that sometimes while in battle, things can get a little heated and feeling can be hurt in the proccess. I Know that's not everyone intentions, but it does happen. Let put aside all feeling and look at this in an objective point of view.

Karanbir and Auka, - I think that you have some very valid concerns about Joychi posts. Lets list them out. Put it in a way that we can see you guy's' point of view. Also if you can, give reason on why it is a concern to you. We also need to give Joychi a far chance to comment on it. Keep and open mind.

Joychi - I think that you have to keep an open mind on this. This is not an attack against you. I think that sometime you may feel that there is a bullseye painted on you, but my main goal here is to try to resolve this and get back to having fun agian. Also list out what your character can do level of training. Fight training. To be perfectly honest Joychi (and I'm saying this not because im ganging up on you), a character without weakness and have perfect combat ability can be a bit over the top. If you put yourself in their shoes, would it be fun for you to fight against some like Goku, or vegeta in DBZ when they hit super Sayin lvl 4. But that is just my opinion.

I know that I am not an admin. or any one with any authority. I just don't want any hard feeling esculating due to any type of miss communication. We can all be friends here and work things out.

Jen

Now I don't want to get all bushy a declare mission accomplished here, so I won't.
Thank you Jen-Jiao for bringing a beautifully objective and outside perspective into this three-person squabble.
I would join you in the reasonable adult club, as nothing else seems to be working here. My main problem was Joychi's intense powerplaying, and his unnecessary one-man riot here, when we all know the resistance is trying to work everyone into their escape plan. If anything, and I've said this before, repeated breakouts in such a short period of time would only increase security exponentially. Guards would increase, and prisoners would only be demoralized by any means necessary.

Yes, Suigetsu and I broke out. We were operating under ignorance. We failed to research what stage the breakout was in, and for some reason assumed it would be happening in a few posts from when we got out.
Yes, as soon as we learned that we put a stop to it.

Now, Suigetsu is being 'reeducated through strong persuasion' or whatever they call torture nowadays. So you see ((don't say Joychi, dont say Joychi)) we did what we could to adhere to the rules of realism, in a world where martial arts controls the elements.

Like I said, my main problem started out as Joychi's powerplaying. But it's evolved into his utter utter ignoring of anything Karanbir and I do or say IC or OC. We ask him to stop Godmodding, he makes a gigantic deal on the OC boards, paints himself like a martyr ("Is there a bullseye painted on my head?") villainizes us, and, against his will, changes his post. The only thing that he ever changes is the way in which he god mods.

That's it in a nutshelll. You want details I've got details.

I'm not even going to -try- putting this in French. ((Is that your first language Joychi? I just guessed from the Salut.))

Auka, I think you bring up some good and valid points.

Joychi - do you feel that you been godmodding or powerplaying? I want give you a chance to say something. Please explain why you do do not agree with. I want everyone to have a voice in this and hope that by keep the communcation open we can solve this or come to an understand we can all agree on.

My Opinion:

I do agree that having a constant break out before the Underground have a chance to impliment the break out plan will make it difficut as sercurity will be more alert. Which mean that there may be more guard to deal with and that being in lock down mode will make it hard for the underground to find people we need to break out along the fact that it will be hard for Yulan, Shuai, and I to meet up.

Jen

I was just thinking over in my head. What -if- the resistance somehow succeeds and Ba Sing Se is freed. Does Long Feng become Earth King? I think that could hold some interesting consequences. He seems like the sort of guy who would really be able to take the fight to the fire-nation. That actually sounds pretty sweet.

Yes I think I can explain that Joychi. First of all you seem to have a different definition of 'heavily guarded' than mine. 30-40 men is easily enough to guard a corridor-based prison like that. It's closer to a dungeon than a prison. The residents are permanent, so it would seem that a guard detail is unnecessary, but in reality many guards would be posted to protect the high-end politicians there. Like say, oh I don't know, Long Feng. They would have to be guarded so no peasant uprisings could storm the fort and take off with a leader. As for how easy it was for Tophka to escape. Let me explain something.

Toph is the BEST Earthbender in the world.

No!
Stop!
Don't give me a hundred reasons why Bumi is the best. Yes he has a lot more raw power than her. No he is not as good as her. The way she metal bends, and her ability to read her opponents moves almost instantaneously are incredible.

Also, more than a little evidence suggests Sokka is a tactical and practical genius. He invented the Hot Air Balloon, Co-Invented the Submarine, he formulates all of the plans.

But yes, I suppose it would be easy if Joychi was at the level of the cannon characters. A complete prodigy in Earth Bending. Good thing there isn't a rule or something against that right?

I just wanted to start off Joychi, good questions

I'm so glad that we can talk this through. you guys rock!

Well I have to say that in the beginning posts, it was mentioned that they were bringing in a lot of prisoners to be put in the cell, so the guard count would be pretty high at the that point otherwise the prisoner would out number the guard and they would have a problem. So there would be a lot of guards roaming about. to that point their have been an attempted breakout before you tried to break out so that the prison will be on alert status. Now given a prison of this side and seeing that the fire nation have a huge armory occupying Ba Sing Se, I is conceivable that there could be anywhere from 50 to 100 people here.

Now in the time of Toph when she broke out, the Fire Nation had just taken Ba Sing Se, at that time the prison could have been a lot lighter on the troops guarding it, because they have just taking the city. The prison population have increase a lot since then.

Correct me if I am wrong but in our earlier posts this is suppose to be the most heavily guarded prison here. Otherwise the underground could have just walked through the front door overpowered the guard and had free reign in the prison.

responding to Auka earlier posts.:
I was just thinking over in my head. What -if- the resistance somehow succeeds and Ba Sing Se is freed. Does Long Feng become Earth King? I think that could hold some interesting consequences. He seems like the sort of guy who would really be able to take the fight to the fire-nation. That actually sounds pretty sweet.


If I remember correctly in the later episoles, it was mention that where were some Ba Sing Se resistant that were giving the Fire Nation solder a bit of a problem. What if that group they mention were the Underground That would make Ai Lin a pure genius. Now I don't think that we have enough to take to city back, but we can be a thorn on the Fire Nation behind.

First off, thank you Jen. There was absolutely no reason why this couldn't be talked out and the core of it seems to be perception and communication wires being crossed. I'm sorry I haven't weighed in on this earlier or posted over the weekend. I caught a cold, which bites.

I can't say for sure where the Underground will ultimately end up. Peoples' fates will depend on what they want to get out of the story. Given who Long Feng is, I would expect him to want to return to the kind of power he held before the takeover, at the very least. Whether that works or not, we'll have to see. Something to remember, though, is that it took the Order of the White Lotus, bolstered by two comet-enhanced firebenders, to take back the city. They have powers beyond just being the League of Extraordinary Old Guys, they have what I like to call Plot Powers. The Underground's just got us, and none of us are master benders, so I would say it'd be pretty damn near difficult for the Underground to retake the city on our own.

Here's a little bit I found about the prison on the Avatar Wiki: "...The palace grounds contain the Ba Sing Se prison, a maximum-security jail made entirely of solid metal in order to prevent Earthbenders from escaping. Long Feng makes the claim that he built the prison as a solution to the growing crime epidemic within Ba Sing Se and believes that the criminals it holds are a direct threat to the Earth King, but in actuality, he uses the jail to imprison those who oppose him and the Dai Li and the criminals themselves are actually political prisoners punished for speaking the truth."

We had discussed that the place is heavily guarded, and pretty fortified. Toph, Sokka and the Earth King only managed to escape because Toph invented metalbending, and the city was in the middle of an internal coup at the time. Metalbending's the biggest boon they had and if Toph hadn't conveniently just figured out how to do it, the three of them would have had a MUCH harder time of it. Since the take over (which happened around three weeks ago RP time already), the Fire Nation has concentrated on quelling those that aren't taking kindly to the new management (and boy, that's a lot of people). As such, they would send a lot of soldiers to the prison to guard those unhappy citizens. Multiple break outs in this prison during the same day would also cause a heightened alert for the prison, and guards will be making more frequent patrols, and such.

Auka, ease up on the sarcasm, okay? In this case, I don't think it's helpful.

Joychi, I believe some of this confusion started from you perceiving the security in the prison as being a lot lighter than it actually is and that whole Jennomite mix-up. Please remember to keep balance given your earthbending training, and your environment in mind when you're fighting. The general rule of thumb is that we keep things as realistic as possible considering the kind of world we're writing in. We're not going to be able to pull off as flashy stuff as the canon characters, and we just have to go with good ol' fashion common sense.

Since the fight is over now, as far as I can tell (right?), I hope that these confusions have been cleared up. If anyone has any more questions about the prison or the general layout, please do bring them up.

Thank Ai Lin,

I'm sorry to hear that you're not feeling too well. Drink lots of water and get plenty of sleep. Well that is what my mom tells me anyways.

I am so glad that we can resolve this. That really clears up a lot of things about the prison and helps us set some background and our staging area.

Jen

Thanks, Jen. I'm still wrestling with it, which is part of the reason I didn't get a chance to post this weekend. So sorry again, everyone. Darn colds being persistent.

Joychi, I don't deal with actual numbers and the travel time between the world in Avatar seems to fluctuate greatly. When the story necessitated the characters to take a long time to get somewhere, that's how it would happen, when they needed to get somewhere fast (like from Ba Sing Se to the Fire Nation capitol) they got there in pretty much a day. It depends on mode of transportation and story needs since the series itself didn't establish a very realistic model to work from. The important thing is that the prison has a lot of Fire Nation guards in it, as well as the city. There could be more on the way, but since that isn't part of the immediate storyline, I don't have a hard number on how long it would take them to arrive.

As for General Hao, I had no specific plans for him. I've just been planning with what we have, and I don't really feel comfortable bringing in another character right this moment. We're getting a little bogged down and I want to keep things as streamlined as possible.

Anyway, I'll be posting later so things can move on.

So Joychi, if you've read my post you may have noticed that I have you scheduled for an execution. Do not fret. Long Feng has everything planned out, and you shan't die. However, if you don't want to be the man scheduled to die I can change things for you.

I hope I am not overstepping any boundaries here, but I think the time limit will make it a little more fun for our characters.

I am flakier than pie crust. >_< I am so, so sorry for holding up the RP yet again, and extremely grateful for all you guys' patience. I'm happy you didn't wait up for me; I did say you're free to tug my characters with the plot if I'm taking too long, and I meant it. Makes it easier for me to get back on track when I find a chance to post.

Shio, you are a genius! The "execution" sets the perfect stage for the riot and breakout.

The term is almost over. Hopefully after finals I'll be able to post more consistently. *crosses fingers and kowtows for forgiveness*

Don't worry, Yulan. I've been very sporadic lately too (my nerve keeps acting up so the only time I do feel good lately I've been using to draw). We're still making progress, though, so yay. It really is a brilliant way to converge everything, Shio. Great stuff there!

Now I just need to drag the other antagonists in time. I wouldn't want Ai Lin, Zarah and Salak to miss the fun time...

Hi everyone,

I have a Dilemma that I do not know what to do. Shuai was Jen best friend and now that Shuai has left , I don't know what to do. One of the problem is the Shuai found Jen's brother and knows were he is. With Shuai gone, that infomation will leave with her. Also we have Shuai's uncle and aunt as a contact, but with Shuai gone can we still use them as a contact? I just don't know how Jen can write around Shuai being gone. I mean, what's going to happen to her in character. Knowing Jen, she will not leave her in prison. She's Jen best friend. Any ideas?

(I just want to add that I'm really sad that Shuai left. but I can respect her decision.)

I'm sad about Shuai's departure too. She's an excellent RPer and I'll miss her.

In light of that, we could rely on the old tabletop RPG standby: the character is there but fades into the background. It's not an ideal thing to do, but if Shuai and Tao-Lei just arrive in the prison yard, someone else can NPC Tao-Lei and Shuai can fade, so to speak. What's a bummer is that Shuai was also Michiko, so we're down one antagonist too. Shuai as a background character would have to step out as soon as possible and I haven't the foggiest what to do with Michiko.