koine
Oct 20, 2006 23:43:27 GMT -6
Post by koine on Oct 20, 2006 23:43:27 GMT -6
I was wondering: In a recent episode of Avatar, Aang said: "Man... I really wish I was a metal bender right now." or something like that. I'm not sure if that was sarcastic or metal benders actually do exist somewhere in the Avatar-world.
Of course, the Metal Benders probably can't yank pure steel right out of the ground or create it right in their hands. They'd have to be supplied with welded metal from the Fire Benders, and therefore have to be allies with the Fire Benders so they have the element needed to build cities, make jewelery, coins and etc. This need for fire-bending might also put them at a slight disadvantage. It's not like air or earth and you can summon it anywhere. The metal-bender has to be around metal, be it iron, silver, or gold. They won't live very long stuck in the middle of a forest or a desert unless it's a scrapheap. Besides... I don't think those Fire-Benders constructed those ships and that drill all by themselves... or did they? =/ And metal is a natural element, isn't it?
And sorry if that was kinda wordy. <_< I didn't mean to type that much. So what do you guys think? I have a character that was inspired by that, so I'm also curious if they might be accepted here.
sethwynd
Oct 20, 2006 23:45:47 GMT -6
Post by sethwynd on Oct 20, 2006 23:45:47 GMT -6
Well, this has come up before, and the answer's still the same; it wasn't a serious comment. Aang was likely only joking.
koine
Oct 21, 2006 0:04:25 GMT -6
Post by koine on Oct 21, 2006 0:04:25 GMT -6
Heh. Yeah, he probably was, but I couldn't help thinking about it though.
raansu
Oct 21, 2006 10:40:36 GMT -6
Post by raansu on Oct 21, 2006 10:40:36 GMT -6
Also if there was such thing as a metal bender he probally could extract metals from various places like say he was in the middle of a forest he could probally still extract metal from the ground. Also the japanese elements are fire, water, wood, earth and metal, but i do think that Aang was being sarcastic when he said that..
hieu
Oct 21, 2006 12:43:41 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Oct 21, 2006 12:43:41 GMT -6
IF there was a Metal bender then i'm sure they would have announced such a thing and the Earth Benders would be on the search for one because the Biggest problem with Earthbenders that nickelodeon exploits is metal cages.
Ever notice that? So if someone was a metal bender the earthbenders would look for them as a strong ally and start attacking the Firebender ships.
As for the Show i believe that Aang was just kidding around
xaolin0091
Oct 28, 2006 16:48:15 GMT -6
Post by xaolin0091 on Oct 28, 2006 16:48:15 GMT -6
I doubt steel benders exist. On the episode where Katara meets Someone( Cannot remember name) that can earthbend and then gets captured, he is put on the Fire Nation Coal plant at sea where he can't bend. The entire place is made from steel and the Commander of the plant says it is made of steel specifically so they cannot bend at all. Hope that helped some!!!
jrz
Nov 8, 2006 21:32:56 GMT -6
Post by jrz on Nov 8, 2006 21:32:56 GMT -6
sure why not theres sand benders
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hieu
Nov 8, 2006 22:37:00 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 8, 2006 22:37:00 GMT -6
^^yes JRZ BUT Sand is just weathered rock. Every little grain is pretty much a rock at one point, but with the wind and dust wearing at the beaches and the cliffs you get sand.
Steel is a refined state of Iron and iron though is within the earth is not part of the earth when it is refined. If i may i'll restate it on a chemical level. Coal is pretty much a raw form of a fossil fuel made of hydrocarbons. When it is burned along with oxygen you get C02 and h20. it's still the same thing as the coal except in a different chemical area. So why can't earth benders grab the two gases and put them back together. Because it is refined
(okay that was a poorly done example, but it was just off the top of my head at 11:30 pm.)
kalken
Nov 9, 2006 13:58:06 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 9, 2006 13:58:06 GMT -6
Well, the way I see it, Sand benders are just those who have specialized and practiced in one part of their element, being Earth. Like Toph had issues bending and seeing with sand because she was new to it's shifting and loose nature.
We have proof that Earth Benders can move coal so maybe if an Earth Bender worked hard enough and became very familiar with it he could bend steel because it contains coal but I guess steel can be made from other types of iron alloys so that might not work.
hieu
Nov 9, 2006 15:04:06 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 9, 2006 15:04:06 GMT -6
Kalken last i checked steel does NOT react with coal. Last i checked it simply created the required heat to remove all other parts of an ore. Ores usually contain the desired metal and various excess from the earth.
Coal is nothing like Steel. Coal is primarily carbon along with nitrogen, oxygen, and hydrogen and Steel contains less than 2 percent carbon. Steel is primarily iron. When you burn sand you get glass, when you burn coal you get gas, when you attempt to burn steel nothing usually happens unless you use something like coal or another hydrocarbon to heat the area around the steel to a designated heat level which then only creates a higher more dense level of Iron.
And to conclude my argument, iron is iron alone. Tin and copper are one of the many different other alloys, but an iron alloy is still iron. So really you have a bit of a lack towards science. No offense intended. Just a shear statement.
kalken
Nov 9, 2006 20:00:54 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 9, 2006 20:00:54 GMT -6
I was under the impression that Steel was an alloy and you had to smelt iron ore with another material and I'm pretty sure Coal was the other material. I'm not saying steel reacts with coal, I'm saying it contains coal. To create the alloy steel, one must find a way to carbonize it. This can be done by either melting it over a coal fire where the coals burning waste causes the iron to carbonize. Another way is to simply melt coal into the iron.
Although Wiki's aren't the best source, Wikipedia stated that many primitive processes consisted of melting iron bars and coal together and then forging it into the desired item. Now avatar doesn't truly deal with the chemical formula and composition of the steel, but I'd assume that if an Earth Bender targeted Steel, he could bend the coal "within" the steel. Like Katara can bend perfume and other compounds of water, so why can't an Earth Bender bend a compound of Earth?
hieu
Nov 9, 2006 20:26:33 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 9, 2006 20:26:33 GMT -6
(gives a very long face like so -__________-)
it' doesn't matter if avatar doesn't follow the science world. you said it yourself Coal doesn't react with coal. So how can an Ore suddenly contain coal? Coal is a fossil and is used like a fuel. An Ore is a mixture of earth and an Alloy. An Alloy is a metal.
When you smelt materials you melt the ore down and that leaves the ALLOY at the bottom of the furnace and removes the rest of the materials which could be nitrogen, oxygen, and various parts you could consider earth.
Now there is NO coal within Steel, and when wiki said you melt them together they used the coal as a fuel to burn and heat the metal so that the compounds would seperate and become as close as possible to just IRON
kalken
Nov 9, 2006 20:38:25 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 9, 2006 20:38:25 GMT -6
"Steelmaking in early modern Europe
In the early 17th century, ironworkers in western Europe had found a means (called cementation) to carburize wrought iron. Wrought iron bars and charcoal were packed into stone boxes, then held at a red heat for up to a week. During this time, carbon diffused into the iron, producing a product called cement steel or blister steel "-quote from Wikipedia
The coal and iron are basically mixed. Avatar doesn't go by the typical sciences so I believe it would be considered Coal+Iron in simplified terms. I'm just trying to prove that an Earth Bender could bend steel because the original processes involve putting a form of Earth into Iron. I'm not trying to prove that iron, when carbonized, becomes steel. I don't see why you have to break everything down so far. I'm just trying to find a way to bend metal because I just don't like the idea of absolutes. Also, I'm sorry for misusing the term alloy, I forgot it's definition and now I remember it's two metals mixed together rather than a metal compounded with another non-metal
asuma
Dec 8, 2006 17:36:28 GMT -6
Post by asuma on Dec 8, 2006 17:36:28 GMT -6
That may be right, but I still think that they should add metal benders to the site in the future
Also, in the series, Toph was able to metal bend, and if that catches on metal might be added as the 5th element to be able to bend
jin
Dec 8, 2006 23:20:36 GMT -6
Post by jin on Dec 8, 2006 23:20:36 GMT -6
metal extracts exist in the ground therefore everytime an earthbender bends, he is bending the metal extracts too. So a powerful earthbender should be able to bend metal. ie... toph in book 2 episode 19 the guru.
asuma
Dec 9, 2006 21:51:18 GMT -6
Post by asuma on Dec 9, 2006 21:51:18 GMT -6
yeah that's true, metal is just elements from the earth that are refined, so an earthbender should be able to control metal
jin
Dec 9, 2006 23:22:30 GMT -6
Post by jin on Dec 9, 2006 23:22:30 GMT -6
thank you asuma takahoshi. thats what the guru was saying when toph wrecked that little metal cage thing and you could see the minerals in the metal when she hit it so yeah.
draco
Dec 9, 2006 23:49:21 GMT -6
Post by draco on Dec 9, 2006 23:49:21 GMT -6
But frankly, I don't think Metal Bending symbolizes that Metal will become a 5th element. I think it's just a sort of type of bending that corresponds with earth bending. Actually, all elements in Avatar have their own sort of add-on in bending. For water, there's ice. For fire, there's lightning, and now, for earth, there's metal. That just leaves air. I don't think air has a bending "add-on".
jin
Dec 10, 2006 0:03:33 GMT -6
Post by jin on Dec 10, 2006 0:03:33 GMT -6
yeah what would air's 'add on' be? anyway i totally agree. hhahahahaa now what will the fire nation do?
