don;t you think it suks that jet died al least i think he did if he died that suks he was my rfav character

^^keep your posts about 200 chars or 3 lines.

I kinda hate seeing a character being lost, but i really wasn't a super fan of Jet. Longshot was bada** though lol he finally speaks and it's like WOAH. Anyway i don't know if jet will survive, but i doubt he will. I'll download the video later to see exactly how he was hit and such.

I don't have TiVo or anything so I couldn't check again but right as the group was leaving Longshot notched an arrow. I couldn't see what he was aiming at, but it seemed like he was going to show Jet a little mercy. I personally vote for Zuko joining the group as Aang needs a Fire Bending teacher soon since the whole deserter episode didn't work out. I could see Iroh staying at his tea shop with Zuko becoming Aang's fire master.

i don't know about Zuko being Aang's teacher. Zuko is good and all, but zuko's still learning. I would much prefer Iroh being the teacher since he is considered a very powerful bender, but so far we do not know his full capabilities of fire bending.

But hey zuko could be the teacher i guess, just i don't see exactly how that would work.

Am I the only one who thinks Jet is dead? I mean, I know they couldn't come out and say it to keep it TV-PG, but lets face it, between Longshot's one time of speaking, to Katara saying the inury was too bad for her to heal, to Toph saying he was lying when he said he'll be fine. Obviously, they couldn't say he's dead (rating issues), but he pretty much is dead.

Sometimes I wish they could make this PG-13, it'd be a lot better.

Also, I loved how well Top was in this character. I was laughing so hard shen she blew a hole through the house

Was I alone in finding Toph and Katara's newly revealed skills (being able to tell if someone is lying or being able to help someone remember something clearly) a bit too convienent not to mention problematic. With these abilities, this means no one can ever tell a lie to the gang as long as Toph is around and if anyone ever has a fuzzy memory about something, Katara can make them see it more clearly. So lying and mental trauma are forever illimunated as plot devices from this show. This could come back to bite the creators in later episodes if they are not careful.

By the way, I really liked the way Katara beat down Jet but I wish she could have shown more in the battle against the Dai Li. Both she and Sokka were pretty useless. Grant it, she had a limited supply of water under the lake, and Apa took out most of the agents on the beach but it would have been cool seeing her wash the rest away with the big wave or something like that instead of Toph and Aang launching the agents on the cliff, especially since Toph played such a major roll in the underground battle.

On the question of who will be Aang's firebending teacher. I really can't see Zuko doing it. Not only would it be hard to believe he would change his strips that much but, to be honest, he's not that great a firebender. He is good, very good, but far from a master. The one I see teaching Aang is Iroh. I believe he may be as great a master as Jeong Jeong is. He definitely has the skills to make a great teacher for Aang. I can see Aang and Iroh becoming very good friends.

Now Zuko training Sokka how to fight with swords, that I can see. That I think would be cool.

Well, look at Katara. She was pretty bad when they started out. I think Zuko could at least teach Aang a bit like fireballs and those flame knives he uses. The whole Master Zuko thing would just create so much inner conflict in him that it would make for a great plot point.

I also think Jet is dead, but I really like KataraxJet so..blegh it made me really sad. And I thought Toph's character was HILARIOUS this episode. "Do you just want me to come with you because you think i cant put a poster up?!" *puts glue on the wall and slams poster on backwards.* "Its upside down, isnt it." lol. i was laughing so hard.. i love toph =D

Hmmm...Jet being dead might be a little overboard. I think it might turn out he was just badly injured, and now he's crippled.

Nickolodeon shows have a bit of a "Oh, my BABY" complex with thier characters, so everything lways turns out ok, in one way or another.

Sokka's poster ruled, by the way.

I think the writers can work around it easily enough. Toph's abilities seem similar to that of a polygraph, which can be faked (we already saw how this can be done with the brainwashing, Xia-di brought up another in which the person is simply mistaken and so while one thinks he/she is telling the truth or lying, reality could still take a different turn). Not to mention that even if she can tell that someone is lying, she will not always be able to know what they are lying about. It also looked like Toph needed to be close to the person and be able to "study" them a bit. Katara also needs to be in contact with the subject (typically this wouldn't pose a problem unless they were in battle or in retreat) and it may not work for all forms of memory loss. With the brainwashing, the memorys were there, just artificially inaccessible. With other forms of memory loss it may be that the memory simply is not there due to physical degradation of the brain, or the memory was not fully formed and so is not useable to any meaningful degree. Lastly, I am not sure how much either lying or weak memory is/has been used as a plot device, so the writers may not have had much to lose anyways.

Copper for your thoughts.

What about Yuea? She died even though Sokka seems to see or talk about her every three episodes. While this show is on Nick, it's really more about the story than about the comedy. In stories, people die. Iroh's son is another example as well as Zukos mom.

No one knows if she's dead or not, we just know she left a few hours before Ozai inherited the throne. Anyways, in my opinion, this show was a major risk(Introducing a massive adn complex storyline) compared to their other shows. It worked well for them but back to the topic. Katara didn't do enough in this episode as shown in previous posts in the thread, but in terms of storyline, she did a little bit. In my opinion, the stories who changed the most were Zuko, Iroh, Aang and Appa. I'm actually waiting for the people to show Zuko and how he is dealing with his life now that he has decided to really find himself. I am also wanting to know how Aang is going to deal with Leong Feng in the next episode. My thought is that because of the events in Lake Laogai, taht Aang and Co. are going to be exiled from the city but then again, that would be a bad PR move for Leong Feng.

What do you guys think on Aang and Friend's actions against the Dai Lee and Leong Feng? What do you think will happen?

I was under the impression that Zuko's mother was killed by Ozai. When Ozai felt no compassion or sorrow for his nephews death at the siege of Ba Sing Se, the current Firelord sentenced Ozai to kill his firstborn son. Since she loved her son so much, Zuko's mother took his place and willingly sacrificed herself. Why would she leave and leave her son behind?

I loved that episode. I think that episode shows how funny Toph can truly be. She tells Sokka that she likes the poster and then he remembers she is blind and says, "Why do you feel the need to do that?"*tears in eyes from laughing so hard* Toph reminds me of Iroh in terms of their sense of humor and personalities. That is probably my favorite episode so far.

Point taken, I forgot about Yuea's death.

Sorry about that, comment's taken back.

I still think he'll show up again, though.

you all saw the Rough Rhino leader, right? so if katara was reading jet's mind, she'll defeat him in anger or jet will survive and kick A$$. and if you haven't noticed, the latter of katara's skills are accidentally made. ie, she heals her first burn! accident! she freezes water! accident! she starts launching blades at Hugh in the swamp episode! not positive, but i got a good feeling it was accidental.

perhaps the earth king is the earthbender in the opening sequence. i never noticed long feng say stuff about losing control over him until i saw it today. and they dont show the pillar strike jet. they flip screens.

i remember mentioning that lake laogai would be an underground facility. i didnt no if it was pro-dai-lee, or con-dai-lee, but i new it was an underground facility!

there was somethin els but i forgot wut it was...

Just to clarify. Katara did not read Jets mind. She made it possible for Jet to remember parts of his memories that had been blocked by the Dai Li.

Also, I wouldn't call what she did an accident nor the blades she used against Hugh an accident in the episode, The Swamp. Her actions were intentional, though I don't think she necessarily knew for sure she would be able to help Jet remember, she thought it might work. When it came to healing her burns, that was purely accidental. She stuck her hands in the water to sooth the burns and suddenly she healed herself. There was no intent to try and heal her wounds.

Not really sure what difference any of this makes, but I thought I'd just help clarify things.

Another little thing I liked in this episode (an episode that overall I thought was GREAT, by the way ^_^ ) was Aang's response to Sokka's suggestion that Katara kiss Jet to help him remember. They have not dealt with Aang and Katara's relationship since the Serpent's Pass, and while it's not really addressed in this episode either, that little comment by Aang speaks volumes.

Another thing. Was Toph really correct when she said Katara was lying when she responded no, to Toph's question of Jet being her boyfriend? While Katara had been attracted to him before she learned of his deception, I seriously doubt she considered him her boyfriend. Not only that, but that exchange really seemed to trivialize that happened in the episode, Jet.

Jet tried to kill hundreds of people in an act of terrorism against a mostly civilian population and he decieved Katara and played on her obvious feelings for him to do it. To joke that reason Katara mistrusted him so much was just because she felt like the jilted girlfriend was really upsetting, I thought.

I really liked Katara's reaction when she first turns around and sees Jet. That was so perfect. But I felt kinda cheated by Toph's flippant comments about him being Katara's boyfriend.

I know they did that for it's comic value but I wish they would have done something more like:

Jet: Katara, why don't you trust me?
Katara: Oh Jet, let me think why.
Toph: Was there something between you two?
Katara (sad expression): I liked him once, and I thought he liked me. (angry expression) But it was all a lie. He lied to me and used me to try and kill hundreds of innocent people. I'll never trust him again. (then she runs off)

That would have taken, what an extra 4 or 5 seconds tops, and would have gone a long way to explaining the situation to Toph without trivializing Katara's feelings and reaction.

Well, I don't think Katara considered Jet her boyfriend but Tophs abilities just see what your vibrations and such are. So if Katara wasn't telling the whole truth or was flustered, her emotions would seem like she was lying.