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Boomi or Toph

cyclone
Aug 29, 2006 18:44:57 GMT -6
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Who do you all thimk is a better earthbender and give a reason why. I wonder because boomi said to aang "i am the most powerful earthbender you will ever meet" but also toph has never lost to an earthbender. I think that Bommi is better because he has more experience, wisdom ( like what moves to use in a certain situation ) and ive seen him lift rocks much larger than toph has ( at least i think ) making him seem more powerful to. What do you think?
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karl
Sept 13, 2006 2:05:46 GMT -6
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The thing is they have very different strategies and styles. Though Toph may not do anything unusually powerful, she always knows what is best to do in every situation. Toph's style is a countering style, she blocks and takes advantage of her opponent when he/she is of balance.
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dereni
Sept 13, 2006 15:35:17 GMT -6
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Toph, Boomi is just an earthbending king. He has a certain (same as all the others) style. Toph has a unique style and she is blind. She can earthbend with her eyes closed, boomi hardly shuts his eyes. I like both of them but Toph surpasses Boomi by a longshot.
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wangetsu
Sept 16, 2006 12:38:45 GMT -6
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Not possible. Bumi is by far the better bender. Bumi's skills in earth bending are so great that he only needs his head to move stone and rocks. You've seen how huge a boulder he was able to summon and lift when he was fighting Aang, who had been using Airbending, which he also used on Toph, which defeated her. Toph is unarguably a skilled bender for her age, but she can't match Bumi.
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karl
Sept 16, 2006 12:46:23 GMT -6
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The thing that makes Toph less is that she doesn''t have the raw power of Boomi. She has an unbeatable style, but she isn't powerful enough to make it so. She's still a little girl.

Hehe...

Toph: Come on Twinkle-toes, hurry!
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kingjosh1
Oct 8, 2006 7:16:18 GMT -6
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I think Boomi is a better earth bender because when aang fought boomi, it was a tai and when aang fought toph,aang won...so if toph can't beat aang then he can't beat boomi.
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spirit300
Oct 8, 2006 15:57:09 GMT -6
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kingjosh1 said:
I think Boomi is a better earth bender because when aang fought boomi, it was a tai and when aang fought toph,aang won...so if toph can't beat aang then he can't beat boomi.


aang could beat toph for a simple reason. Toph couldn't see his attack! She sees with earthbending, but an airbending attack is invisible to her. Boomi, on the other hand, could see Aang's attacks. Also, in Boomi's old age, he had probably learned defenses to airbending, especially since his best friend was an airbender. But because Toph uses a much different style than most earthbenders (I believe its Mantis Style Kung Fu, but I'm not certain), Boomi may not know a defense.
And Toph WOULD be able to see Boomi's attacks, unlike she could against Aang.
And the only fighting I've seen Boomi do was against Aang. Toph beat a team of earthbenders and their leader.
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waterbender525
Oct 8, 2006 16:00:59 GMT -6
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Adding to Xia Di! The Toph versus Aang fight was simply knock them out of the ring. Air = knock out but REALLY no damage. In king Bumi's fight it was basically life/death. There is a HUGE difference and besides. Toph could own Bumi. I can see it happening on the show. Episode 02x19 Betrayal OH NOES!!!
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akailen
Oct 13, 2006 17:18:52 GMT -6
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I would have to go with Boomi. He has age, experience, and the fact that he is constantly thinking outside of the box on his side. It was stated that his fight with Aang was life and death. i would disagree. In my opinion Boomi was toying with Aang and Co. and had no intention of killing any of them. The other thing to look at is the fact that Boomi was caged up and yet could still bend just by raising his chin. When Toph was caged, all she could do was hurl insults. Of course this all assumes they would do battle to begin with. LOL

Copper for your thoughts. :)
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waterbender525
Oct 13, 2006 17:30:15 GMT -6
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Achem! Toph was what 50 feet in the air? Boomi did not JUST raise his chin. He stompped his foot inside the cage.
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akailen
Oct 13, 2006 20:01:29 GMT -6
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Achem! Toph was what 50 feet in the air? Boomi did not JUST raise his chin. He stompped his foot inside the cage.


I again disagree. Aang and Toph were hung up in the air while they waited for the ransom, but when they were captured as well as the time that they were transported from Toph's home to the arena, she would have been close enough to the ground that could she I would have thought she would have been bending to free them. In "Return to Omashu" Boomi is in a coffin-like cage leaving him little to no room to move his arms or legs. When he first demonstrates that he can bend it is when he is on his back sliding down the mail chute. Aang looks at him shocked and comments on him being able to bend the whole time and Boomi replies that they did not cover his face indicating that it was indeed his chin that was doing the work. Every following display of bending involved him lifting his chin, but I could not see or hear any evidence of his arms or legs being involved (granted there was a lot of music/background noise that interfered with the listening part). After Aang learns that Boomi can still bend, he asks him why he didn't free himself and Boomi goes into a lecture about Jing rather than telling Aang that he is unable to free himself. Now Boomi never was one for being direct about things, but given the fact that he could still bend, I am willing to wager that Boomi was only captive because he wasn't trying to escape, not because he was unable, and he was initially hung in the air as well...

Copper for your thoughts. :)
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hieu
Oct 13, 2006 22:00:56 GMT -6
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Skipped a few posts but here are my thoughts

Take the pros and cons of both

Boomi: Shear raw power and generally an earthbender longer so he does understand the whole listen and wait concept considering he gave it to Aang to seek in a teacher. Boomi doesnt need much else besides his Chin apparently and a chin isnt going to give off a huge vibration.

Toph: Extremely Precise and efficient. She doesnt bring huge rocks at you, but simply finds a different usually more effective way of stopping and defeating example was against "the Boulder" when she simply moved a small set of pebbles sending him into an uncomfortable position.

So which would win? Precision or Raw power?

This leads to Tophs skill to sense the vibrations. If boomi really does just use his chin only then he pretty much has it. For what i know toph sense by vibration and if anyone noticed boomi walked around A LOT in the battle with Aang. If toph is seeing that much movement she may or may not start to wonder how or when Boomi will attack.

On the other hand Boomi knows toph can't attack without first a movement so if boomi never moves Toph will have to remember the exact location of his first step if any.

My money is on Boomi since raw strength will most likely win if he truely has that much power
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waterbender525
Oct 14, 2006 15:46:48 GMT -6
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Think about this then... your precision idea gave me this... If you were hit by a needle or hit by a punch which one do u tink would do more damage.
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dereni
Oct 14, 2006 21:48:48 GMT -6
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wangetsu said:
Not possible. Bumi is by far the better bender. Bumi's skills in earth bending are so great that he only needs his head to move stone and rocks. You've seen how huge a boulder he was able to summon and lift when he was fighting Aang, who had been using Airbending, which he also used on Toph, which defeated her. Toph is unarguably a skilled bender for her age, but she can't match Bumi.


He never fought Toph! And Toph would win. Remember what she did with all those guys? Uh, yeah. That or Boomi would stop the fight at a draw. Boomi would like get a hear attack! Isn't he like 113? Toph is young, Boomi is old. He wanted someone else to teach Aang which is Toph!
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waterbender525
Oct 15, 2006 7:43:17 GMT -6
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waterbender525 said:
Adding to Xia Di! The Toph versus Aang fight was simply knock them out of the ring. Air = knock out but REALLY no damage. In king Bumi's fight it was basically life/death. There is a HUGE difference and besides. Toph could own Bumi. I can see it happening on the show. Episode 02x19 Betrayal OH NOES!!!


READ IT FOOLS!!!! How many times do I have to say that WITH AANG's FIGHT AGAINST TOPH IT WAS JUST KNOCK OUT!!! BUMI x AANG's FIGHT WAS ACTUALLY A FIGHT!!!
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fistycuffs
Oct 15, 2006 14:40:16 GMT -6
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Toph uses Southern Mantis.
My Vote's for Boomi. I'm not going to use Aang as leverae for my argument because of the circumstances.

Boomi would never hurt Toph, he'd rather die, I think. But if they were both actually figthing Boomi could just close the earth up, right on Toph. Even if she tried to push his attacks away, he'd just keep 'em steady. We've seen how buff Boomi is, and that rock he tied Aang with? I'm sure he can do alot better than that.
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hieu
Oct 15, 2006 15:37:49 GMT -6
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waterbender525 said:
Think about this then... your precision idea gave me this... If you were hit by a needle or hit by a punch which one do u tink would do more damage.


depends on the spot of the hit. A punch to the chest directly at ur arm for example would deal quite a sum whereas a needle could deal or could not (most likely will) more damaged depending.

But like i said it brings it down to the whole vibration sensing skill that toph has been given in return for blindness =\
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spirit300
Oct 15, 2006 21:23:30 GMT -6
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akailen said:
I would have to go with Boomi. He has age, experience, and the fact that he is constantly thinking outside of the box on his side. It was stated that his fight with Aang was life and death. i would disagree. In my opinion Boomi was toying with Aang and Co. and had no intention of killing any of them. The other thing to look at is the fact that Boomi was caged up and yet could still bend just by raising his chin. When Toph was caged, all she could do was hurl insults. Of course this all assumes they would do battle to begin with. LOL

Copper for your thoughts. :)


Toph is blind dam**t! While in a metal cage, she cannot earthbend to sense vibrations, and thereby cannot see! How do you fight when you can't see the rocks you want to bend? Boomi would be able to see the rocks.

I think Toph'd win, but I'll use a different comparison. Toph (like the Kyoshi warriors) uses quick attacks, i. e. in the time the boulder lifted his foot and lowered it to the ground, Toph had sent a ripple for him to land on!
Boomi, on the other hand, uses powerful attacks (like Sokka). He picked a f**king HUGE BOULDER over his head.

Now tell me, who won between Sokka and Suki? Suki!
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hieu
Oct 16, 2006 15:22:03 GMT -6
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^^hard to base on a different combat system, but i can see where you were going at with that last question

still Toph is quick with the reaction, but do realize that Boomi also knows about this ability that she has. He isn't dense. He gave Aang the directions to have to find toph -_-

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akailen
Oct 16, 2006 16:52:29 GMT -6
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Toph is blind dam**t! While in a metal cage, she cannot earthbend to sense vibrations, and thereby cannot see! How do you fight when you can't see the rocks you want to bend? Boomi would be able to see the rocks.


In "The Drill" Katara already had the slurry in the air, save for what was still in the drill itself. As the drill was made of metal, Toph should not have been able to see the slurry either, yet when asked to help she assisted Katara in bending it. My assumption is that she was able to see Katara's stance and of course the location of the drill itself to know where the slurry was. However, she still was bending earth she could not see, just knew where it was. The same could be said when hanging in a metal cage.

Toph (like the Kyoshi warriors) uses quick attacks, i. e. in the time the boulder lifted his foot and lowered it to the ground, Toph had sent a ripple for him to land on!
Boomi, on the other hand, uses powerful attacks (like Sokka).


This is a premise a lot of people have used on this thread that I reject: "Boomi uses lots of raw power attacks" I think the correct statement is "Boomi used lots of raw power attacks against Aang" Why do I mark a distinction? Here is why: The entire series of tests Boomi gave Aang was about getting him to leave his comfort zone and consider new possibilities. Boomi knew that Aang was taught to avoid and evade as that is the way of the Airbender. Subsequently Boomi used raw power against Aang as a clear way of showing him that you cannot avoid it forever and will HAVE to fight back. It just so happens that another enemy Aang must face (Fire Nation and its lord) is also all about raw power...

Now, with a different opponent I doubt Boomi would use the exact same set of moves, strategy, etc. In fact, I see a lot of similarities in their fighting methods. Both are masters of neutral Jing. Boomi proved it by his surrender of Omashu and refusal to free himself. Toph has had to master it out of necessity. Both use taunts (and in Boomi's case a plethora of other things from gemenite to the prison room) to mess with their opponent's heads. The reason I vote Boomi is not because of the raw power he displayed battling Aang, but because of his mad genius mind (displayed by his tests) and his great wisdom (displayed by his knowledge of Jing).

Copper for your thoughts. :)
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