Blue Fire is actually lightning. According to General Iroh it can only be achieved by balancing your positive and negative energies. (Yen and Yeng, "Mortal Combat sign") That means you cannot hate anyone more than you like them and vice-versa. It takes much training to master and even more mental training to achieve your balanced state. Very few fire benders actually have the capabilities to create lightning.

^^stay to 200+ characters

As far as blue flames coming only one character and thats azula. and there is NO concrete evidence showing what makes her flames differnt (none that i heard of). And also if lightning were created by heat then the sun would have already achieved a state of constant lightning

Lightning is discharges of positve and negative charges. i'm not really going to into detail of lightning, but i think when the creators added Lightning they wanted to kind of incorporate how fire could break the molecules into positive and negative levels without creating some form of combustion.

okay im done ranting

Blue Fire is not lightning, it is fire that is blue which makes it hotter then normal fire. Lightning takes time to prepare, taking apart the two energies and then guiding it and so forth, yet Azula has shown that she creates the blue fire without any concentration. It is not lightning.

I thought of a neat firebending move. The Firebender heats the ground and when it becomes the consistency of lava they lift it up and throw it at their opponent. It would be a fire move that doesn't dissipate when it hits a solid object. (If that is even possible *snivel*)

^^not possible. yes it would be nice, but that requires earth bending (to move the rock) which firebenders can't do.

It's been a heated debate but most people conclude that firebenders can NOT move earth in any way

Firebending is surprisingly very possible in real life, it is called the ability of pyrokinesis, and can be attained through years of practice. The best I have seen anyone do is create a fireball out of midair of course it wasnt instant it took 10 minutes. So, it can be done, but not t the extent they do it on the show. If you want more information ill be glad to give it!!

By the way, I mysel am able to put a flame out on a candle with my mind and am working on relighting it at the moment!!

^^omfg this guy is pissing me off.

1) the post above is off topic we are talking about lightning and firebending potentials in a show
2) There is a thread FOR telekinesis so advertise there

back to topic:
as i've re-read through the thread entirely. and want to furthur my statement

I doubt Roku ever needed to cast lightning considering he has access to several other attacks he could utilize creating the same amount of damage without the lack of time consumed to seperate the energies. If you noticed lightning takes an extremely long time to cast (i'd give about 5+ seconds). If you were an earthbender you could easily send a single pillar of rock right in front of your opponent as he casted the lightning, which would hit the pillar, and explode right in your opponents face.

Hieu, I posted this like 2 days before there was ever a telekinesis thread, so please stop being so mean!

Also, Avatar Roku was obviously much more powerful than Azula! His lightning might just happen instantly! As you might have noticed in the episode the chase when Azula injures Iroh while she is surrounded, she shoots lightning at him instantly, atleast it looks like lightening! It could just be her blue fire, but what ever I get the two condused a lot.

AZULA IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER!!

My perfect ending to the show: Azula defeats the avatar, and her father. Of course after defeating Iroh, she herself becomes the new fire lordess. However, outraged by her activity Jeong Jeong returns and there is the biggest firefight ever!!!!!!!! Jeong Jeong and azula end up killing eachother in an atomic explosion. The last part of the episode ends with Zuko taking over and ending the war!!

And the famous last shot of the whole seies shows Katara having a baby, less than a week after the avatars death!!! Oh snap!!!!

^^fine i edited my post above

Anyway Roku yes is more powerful consider the avatar is to master all the elements and Azule while skilled is not a master. As for Attack Iroh she used blue fire there is only a handful of moments she uses lightning and ill compose a list later.

Interesting ending btw

Well here's my take on firebending.

Firebenders use their internal body heat and their chi as a source of their bending to "create" fire.

The whole basis on the bending (what they bend) is simply "heat."

Fire is the reaction among superheated molecules. In the typical case, it's heat air molecules combusting at the flames. Aftering igniting the combusted molecules they can manipulate them so long as they're superheated.

Though firebenders are not limited to heating molecules to the point of combustion. As they was the time Iroh was made himself a hottub by breathing in the air and exhaling it heated up as steam.

Blue firebending is do different than regular fire bending with the exception that blue fire is much much hotter than red-orange-yellow fire. (If you ever noticed, the bottom of the candle flame is blue, indicating the hottest part of the flame.)

And firebender can manipulate flames from other sources. They don't have to create the flame to control it. This means that if they can manipulate fire (which is composed of heated air molecules) firebenders and manipulate just about anything, so long as its superheated. So it is my belief firebenders can manipulate lava, simply because it's superheated.

Now the ability to create lightning, emphasises my point of heat being the basis of what they can bend. Lightning is a form of electricity, completely different from fire. The only thing they share in common is that they both are very very hot. In order for formation of lightning, there has to be an eletrical discharge. In this case the the source of the 'electrical discharge' is the seperating of the positive and negative chi. Now lightning is the definition of 'extreme.' Not only is it completely unstable, but lightning is HOT HOT HOT (4-5 times hotter than the surface of the sun).
So it would make sense that with a form of energy so wicked that a firebender can only guide it once it's created. (Cold-blooded Fire is a fairly good title to simply decribe the intensity and instability of lightning)

Thought I'd throw in some new ideas to debate about (: P)

That is a very good layout of fire. The art itself is very interesting to research. The mix of emmotions and physical force that can come out as fire. And yes, Blue Fire is NOT lightning. Blue Fire is just farther heated flame. Lightning is splitting the molecules to guide and use. The mental abbility is even rarer then luanching blue fire.

I'm planning to major in biochemistry in college, so I hope nobody minds if I muse about fire(bending) a little bit.

Fire is only a side effect of a chemical combustion reaction. The chemical reaction that gives us useable energy is also a chemical combustion reaction. The only difference is that in a fire the reaction is uncontrolled and self-perpetuating, where in the mitochondria of a cell the reaction is controlled and harnessed. Both take the monomer glucose (in the form of cellulose in wood) and, after shuffling things around a bit, end up with carbon dioxide and water. Both need fuel in the form of macromolecules (usually complex carbohydrates composed of glucose, sometimes proteins), both need oxygen, and both need some way to start off a reaction (most often a spark in fire and an enzyme in the body).

I think that probably firebenders have evolved the ability to unleash that combustion reaction that gives people useable energy. They, instead of breaking up the reaction into several steps, let it just run intself and release all of the energy as heat and light.

There is one major problem with my theory- it just explains how the fire is started, not how it is controlled. Also it is stated over and over in the show that the basis of fire is the breath; in my theory muscles could possibly, potentially work almost as well as breath for generating fire, as long as the firebender didn't mind being very sore the next day (lactic acid is what makes people sore; it comes from a lack of oxygen in the muscles).

Anyone care to comment? Please ;D

^^to the above

Okay the whole talk about bio-decomposition of glucose was rather pointless eh? i guess it helps explain my biology class, but not here.

Sorry if it sounds cruel but thats how i see it.

Referring to atmos's post.
I agree strongly with him. I believe that bending is the manipulation of our chi which in turn manipulates the element. Fire extends from anger and anger is very strong at one point then weakness rapidly. In sense fire bending is the same way. They whip their chi and pull it back creating fire.

my 2 cents

Sorry, I tend to get rather involved in biochem stuff... I didn't think it was pointless, since I was hoping to show that the "bio-decomposition" of glucose is exactly the same thing that makes fire, but maybe I wandered a little too far.

My comments on Kyro's post: I just repeated what you said with new and different vocabulary. The only thing I didn't quite understand was when you said that fire and lightning have nothing in common, but that's just more chemistry instincts of mine kicking in because in chemistry, everything is all about electrons moving around. Everything (of course) includes fire, lightning, life, rusting, rotting, etc. It's all about the electrons.

*slaps head*
True, true... I was thinking of the unique differences of between discharge and combustion. But then an electrical discharge can be hot enough to ignite combustion, so yeah saying fire and lightning are not related is quite inaccurate.
Ma bad...lol

It's all good. ^^; Sorry for less than 200 characters, but it's not quite needed here, so... yeah. ;D

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Well I like what you guys wrote up there I would just like to say, some pretty smart people on this site. Anywho I believe that they do harness the energy from their body, but how would you guys explain the whole solar exclipse not allowing them to bend?

I am just curious because I think that a huge portion of where they get their energy for bending is from the sun so when it is blocked out by the moon the large amount of energy that they would draw is severly reduced.

Also if they drew all the heat for fire from their body then they would loose heat at a dangerous rate and that is not considered right.

^^true i agree with you on some points, but that also brings up a lot of questions when you mentioned the whole eclipse part.

I think that the creators just wanted to advance the complexity of the firebending world by adding the moon and the sun as parts of the world. Which i don't argue with at all, but it brings a lot of questions on the true nature of the bending. If my beliefs on bending forming from the chi (refers to several other posts of myn) then that would exclude the factors such as moon and sun which are obvious parts in the avatar world.

I guess to further my theory on bending's relationships, i'll consider that the sun effects the environment itself allowing the bender to access more energy. The sun heats the air, well say a firebender draws energy from heat he could use not only his body heat, but also the heat around him.

Now that might draw up some questions bout waterbenders, well it works similar to firebender's relation to the sun except waterbenders have a mysterious connection with the moon which helps them move the water in the ways they need. sorry if that seems lame, but that's what i believe so far and i'm still building on the theory.

I don't sit down and study the show to figure out the concepts behind avatar, but i just watch the show and try and form the theory as i go.

Hope that helps people in some form or another