fireprodigy
Nov 4, 2006 12:58:14 GMT -6
Post by fireprodigy on Nov 4, 2006 12:58:14 GMT -6
Hey I was just wondering if everyone would consider Azula a firebending master, in my eyes she is. It is clea that she would beat Jeong Jeong, and he is considered a master. Also, nobody else can do blue fire.
Oh, and I will be compiling list of firebending moves with pictures, so we have names for them!
ronin
Nov 4, 2006 13:48:19 GMT -6
Post by ronin on Nov 4, 2006 13:48:19 GMT -6
I believe that she is good. But is she a master? I think not. She is a prodigy but she still needs a few more years under her belt. That's like saying toph is a master of earthbending and could take down Bomi. Did I spell his name right? Just cause she can do blue fire doesn't mean that she is a master. She just is specail.
kalken
Nov 4, 2006 14:30:24 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 4, 2006 14:30:24 GMT -6
Well, she is still learning. I might be missing a minor detail but those two rhyming old ladies in the first couple of episodes in Book 2 seemed to be her masters. While she's great, she's not "uber." In the real world, White is the hottest for of fire and it can blind you from just seeing it. I think Blue is just level two fire and lightning is just a special move. Everey time she shoots lightning she has to go through that circle move and I'd imagine a master could split energy without motion even though Iroh uses the moves to show Zuko lightning.
hieu
Nov 4, 2006 14:58:28 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 4, 2006 14:58:28 GMT -6
^^we do not know if Iroh can cast lightning without the movements. Hell we don't even fully understand the concept of bending.
The world of bending in the show is just the surface and we do not fully grasp the entire capabilities. Jeong Jeong is a master, but have we seen his full powers? The most we saw him do is cast a fire wall and then disappear. How do we know he can't cast blue fire? We don't
I think Azula is just special. Like any "prodigy", they show extreme powers, but being a master in my opinion is based on wisdom and understanding. Iroh would fall under this being the age he is and he knows how fire bending works and is not afraid of it. Example is when he grabbed Azula's lightning and redirected it. He defeated Azula without firebending, or how bout in the book 1 the southern air temple? Zhao attacked Zuko from behind and Iroh stepped in grabbed the fire and Zhao's foot and tossed him back with a flick of the wrist.
Iroh is considered a master to me. He teaches Zuko and he understands Firebending and even adds in parts of the other nation's bending, but he isn't considered a master.
Really it's all opinion on what you think is a "master"
fireprodigy
Nov 4, 2006 15:19:24 GMT -6
Post by fireprodigy on Nov 4, 2006 15:19:24 GMT -6
Also, I would like to say that at this point in the show unless Aang was in the avatar state Azula would whip his butt up and down the arena. In the drill she would have beat Aang if it wasn't for the mud sluury exploding. In the chase she would have killed Aang if it wasn't for Katara. She is only two years older than Aang and clearly more disciplnined and skilled!
Main Point Azula could beat Aan if they were in a fight alone at this point in the show.
hieu
Nov 4, 2006 15:41:37 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 4, 2006 15:41:37 GMT -6
i dont care if Azula can defeat Aang or not, but your backing on the whole ordeal if Azula is better or not is clearly that of a "fan". By shear power yes azula wins because fire has a more destructive nature. Air can be just as devastating.
Have you ever thought about Aang not wanting to fight? He never actually took offensive measures to defeat azula he just ran away most of the time.
Also don't double post like that.
(stop the will to argue and returns to topic)
kalken
Nov 5, 2006 12:11:45 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 5, 2006 12:11:45 GMT -6
They must be her masters or at least her advisors because in episode 3 of book 2 they tell her to travel without the royal precession and she agrees and partners up with Mei and Ty Lee after that.
xaolin0091
Nov 5, 2006 15:27:11 GMT -6
Post by xaolin0091 on Nov 5, 2006 15:27:11 GMT -6
I don't think she is. My greatest example is on the episode where Azula tells Zuko that Firelord Ozai wants him back home and realized how important family is. At the end, her and Zuko fight and Zuko gets kocked down then Azula gets ready to shoot lightning at him. Before she shoots the lightning Iroh grabs her and redirects the lighting, he then simply throws her overboard. If she was a master she could have easily prevented that from happening.
atmos
Nov 5, 2006 17:55:56 GMT -6
Post by atmos on Nov 5, 2006 17:55:56 GMT -6
I'll agree with takano that it is all based on one's opinion on the defintion of master. Based on what I've seen on the show, "master" is pretty much a title. It's a title given to thoses who have a higher than average understanding of the air. Katara is deemed a waterbending master, but is she the 'bestest' waterbender? No, she just has an above-average skill and knowledge of the art.
Toph is considered an earthbending master because she has a very good handling of the art (it may seem that it's thanks to her visual handicap that she had managed to get such an good skill understanding of the art).
Aang is considered an airbending master because he got his arrow tattoos.
I'm sure Jeong Jeong can do any trick Azula can, but when we saw Jeong Jeong he was only trainining Aang the basic basics, and when Zhao came, summoning the firewall as most likely part of a distraction for them to get his attention.
The reason Azula uses blue fire all the time is because she really wants to hurt what she aims. But I would see her as a fire bending master, because she is above-average.
hieu
Nov 5, 2006 20:32:17 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 5, 2006 20:32:17 GMT -6
^^there are a lot of people that are "above average", but that's your opinion.
I'll stand by my post about opinionating the title "master"
You could also consider the word "Adapt" which would, in my opinion, means a person who is natural to the ability. Azula would be an Adapt because she isn't exactly hard working, she's just natural to it. She always was able to fire bend well even when she was a little kid. Katara is what i would consider a master and not an adapt because she wasn't capable of doing much besides move water in a blob at the beginning and with hard work she soon became a skilled waterbender.
The Avatar's are what i would consider Adapts, not masters, simply because they are suppose to learn it. They don't have to try to grasp the concept of something. Like when Aang learned earthbending that was pretty much in a single day. Or perhaps when Aang created a tidal wave when Katara couldn't
But to the creators of avatar they don't think the way i do because they consider the avatar "master of all elements" which is obviously redundant and would reduce the idea of becoming a master to just being capable.
Nickel for your thoughts
suyami
Nov 5, 2006 20:55:51 GMT -6
Post by suyami on Nov 5, 2006 20:55:51 GMT -6
I think Azula needs to control her emotions more. She seems angry, although not as angry as Zuko. Iroh is my fire bending master idol, for he is calm and serene, and also has a great sense of humor is a good teacher. ;D Anyhow, Azula does not seem to be 'ready' somehow. I don't know, I just do not see her as a master.
hieu
Nov 5, 2006 21:06:30 GMT -6
Post by hieu on Nov 5, 2006 21:06:30 GMT -6
O and i'd like to continue my stand point on her not being a master.
Master's usually teach people right? Well Teaching is a hard thing to do. Ever try teaching someone? Most people get it right and listen. Then you have your minority that doesn't listen for squat and tries to do it their own way. So it then boils down to who is willing to teach?
Iroh is a perfect example. He enjoys teaching Zuko. He doesn't have to teach Zuko, but wished that Zuko be better and further in life than Iroh is.
Katara is another example. She doesn't really need to teach Aang. Aang could continue his training in the Northern Water Tribe by master Pakku, but instead Katara teaches Aang because she wants to.
Azula will most likely not care about teach others or enlightening the generations. From what i see all she cares about is being able to harm people as much as possible and gain for herself as much as possible. Even her friends like Ty Lee she doesn't fully care about. Example is when she recruited Ty Lee and lit the net on fire and caused the act to be incredibly dangerous. If Ty Lee fell she would have died most likely or at the very least been injured badly.
kalken
Nov 6, 2006 14:09:45 GMT -6
Post by kalken on Nov 6, 2006 14:09:45 GMT -6
Well, Katara teachs Aang because they kind of have a time limit. If the group had stayed in the north pole, then Aang would've never learned Earth Bending. Even though he could learn it later, he needed to stay on the move to look for an Earth Teacher. Now that they got Appa back in Lake Laogai, all Aang has to do is to finish learning Earth Bending and grab a Fire teacher since the leaf lesson kinda failed. I still vote for Zuko teaching him even though he's still learning himself.
But since that shot off topic, what will Azula be like when she is a master? I mean, if Ozai is that powerful, then his prodigy daughter is going to surpass him one day.
Anonymous
Nov 15, 2006 21:08:33 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2006 21:08:33 GMT -6
I think she is a master firebender she can do things that not even Iroh can do. The blue fire is so far a trait attributed to her, although that may come with skill, and the whole lightning technique is most likely a technique that can only be done by master benders. So I think Azula is a master firebender.
fireprodigy
Nov 17, 2006 19:47:09 GMT -6
Post by fireprodigy on Nov 17, 2006 19:47:09 GMT -6
Some very good points were made, she is a firebending master, and the reason that she doesn't teach anyone is because she is too big of a biatch, and she has a personal agenda that she needs to cater to.
- We haven't seen fire lord Ozai in action, but I think that she could definetely atleast last in a fight with him, I think it would be close, but she could.
- Also, she could definetely take down Jeong Jeong and Iroh, with a blind fold on, she is just so nimble and fast. But anyways thanks for commenting!
ronin
Nov 19, 2006 8:11:27 GMT -6
Post by ronin on Nov 19, 2006 8:11:27 GMT -6
I doubt she could last a fight at this early age for a long time against her father. It would be the old fight of experiance and cunning verses youth and skill. She is good, a prodigy. That doesn't mean she is a master. If she was a master I doubt she would have missed that last blast against Aang during the drill, then again, that has little to do with actual fire bending, except for accuracy. Anyway, she is talented but not a master because if she was a master then she would accomplish immpossible feats. We all seen Boomi and that Waterbending master who-I-forget-the-name-of and they can do some pretty cool things. The only thing that I've seen that is truely immpressive is lightening and that massive fire whip thing during, The Chase is it called?
Thats my copper for ya mates.
Anonymous
Nov 19, 2006 15:36:30 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2006 15:36:30 GMT -6
I think Azula has the "abilities" of a master but not the knowledge or the real skills. So, she's not a master yet. She learned how to create lightning but I think it's just because only a few select Firebenders are able to do it. She must be one of them... She still needs training since during the battle against Aang on the Drill, she just rushed at him, hoping sh would be able to kill him with Firebending until the slurry of the wall touched her and stopped her. A real master would have done something else. I don't think I can tell what he would do, but I'm sure she didn't do what a master would have done.
fireprodigy
Nov 19, 2006 20:00:44 GMT -6
Post by fireprodigy on Nov 19, 2006 20:00:44 GMT -6
People you all forget that Admiral Zhou was considered a master, and Iroh is considered a master. Azula could Own, and I mean Own O-W-N admiral zhou. Iroh wouldn't have gotten the final blow against aagn, who can hit, an object moving over 120 miles ber hour, not really anyone. I agree with life experience thing, although I enjoy her bitchy attitude the way it is. LOL