3rd episode Southern Air Temple:

Iroh: Zuko are you sure you want to do this, remember what happened last time you dueled a master.

Zuko: I will never forget


Now If Iroh considers Zhou a master, then I'm sure other do.


Nice try

Mmm...ok...so I was wikipedia and was looking of something specific of the avatar show when I stumbled upon the character bios.

Look for yourself on their positions. They're all considered Firebending masters.
Fire Lord Ozai
Zhao
Azula
Iroh

Zuko is the only major bending character not considered a master, but hey his skill is evened out with his swordplay.

Of course one can argue that anyone could type anything in wikipedia, but it's got the list of references in the major synopsis including the offical nick.com site, so I would presume it to be accurate.

I wasn't contradicting you i just failed to remember it. But then that brings up another question. IF Zhou was fully marked as a "master" and Zuko beat Zhou in his most basic state that would make Zuko a fighter skilled as a master and probably above a master now that he's trained with Iroh much more.

I'm still rather skeptical about Zhou being marked as a Master. I think they were refering to Ozai as a master and talking about Zuko dueling Ozai and referring more to the fact of the duel itself not the mastery level.

Also can anyone help me confirm on the episode when Azula attempted to trick Iroh and Zuko into coming home. During that episode when she was fighting Zuko (who had twin daggers of fire) Azula casted a small short blast of blue. I couldn't tell if it was lightning or her blue fire, but i think it might of been her lightning.

So that would mean that lightning can be attacked in various levels depending on how much energy you pull apart

It looks like fire if you freeze it. I believe it might be true on how much energy you use, but one still has to go through the movements of pulling it apart. If you attempt it without the movements, it'll just be fire.

Yes, Zhou is considered a master and Zuko beat him. To be honest with you if Zuko would have given him the final blow in the Agni Kai, then he might be let back into the firenation, because his father would see how powerful he was. I know that Zuko was showing sportsmanship, but if he would have done that he could be sitting back in the palace right now! As for Azula, she is a master, and no matter how much she fails, her dad will always like her more because she is so good at firebending and really devious, and evil like him.

Sorry if you don't care anymore about this thread.. but I truly think that she is not a master.

Isn't it obvious that most of the kind hearted benders are stronger than the rest? How Zuko beat Zhao in the Agni Kai.. Zuko is kind hearted. Truly, he's just talk.. but Zhao 'could' woop his booty, but again Zuko had the last blow.. but he was kind hearted enough to not do it. Even if Iroh said something, Zuko had the choice to fire or not. *Shrug*

But to the Azula thing.
Iroh could beat her in a long shot. *cough* Even if he was shot down that one time *cough* he lost his guard.. *again cough* BUT anyways-- . Nope definitly not a master but she is good enough to be called one. : )

Just because she is considered a master doesn't mean that he is one. She can do great things, but is that really master skill? Zhoa may be considered a master in sheer power but what about control, skill and knowledge? Nope. If you have not one of these then you might as well take the classes of firebending all over again.

On a side note, if Zuko killed Zhou he would not be welcomed back. His father thinks of him as a coward and a weakling. Its not a fact, its a mindset. It takes more than killing a hot head to change that.

Yet again on a side note, I think anyone can use lightening, its just tough to pull off.

Okay recently i've undergone a transformation of what i believe a master is and should be doing.

A master is a rank given as to say they are extremely skilled and are respected by other masters. And even more by learners. People that seek to learn seek teachings from a master. Usually qualities of a master are, leadership, patience, understanding, and believing. These are some so i might have to reconsider the entire list if you think that is the list. Anyway I would say when a person reaches a level or title considered 'master' i think it just makes them believe they have hit a point of skill that they are above a majority of the others.
This is a problem because a person learning in any art should always continue to hone their skills even after they've become a master. If they in fact perfect their art (humans are perfect) then they probably are a lost cause and have nothing else to do otherwise until their minds become weakened from the lack of anywhere else to explore.

Just a thought

Nickel for your thoughts (who wants a penny?)

Well, the question was "In your eyes is Azula a firebending master?" OBVIOUSLY since you MUST master fire BEFORE you can move on to lightning she IS a master of riebending. Lightningbending is another form and another style of martial arts, though it IS an advancement of firebending. So I suggest we stick to the question posed and realize that she has mastered firebending.

^^this brings up questions

1) you mentioned lightning bending as "another form and another style of martial arts" exactly what martial arts are you referring to? As far as is mentioned firebending is based on northern shaolin sometimes using preying mantis.

2) How do you know Lightning is a move after you've master Fire? You could stumble upon Lightning easily depending on how calm you are.

3) And the thought of opinion is not exactly what we are after. More or less what i believe is the question. "Is Azula qualified for a master?" Not "is she".

Actually its just Northern Shao-lin for fire bending...Praying mantis style kung fu is what Toph uses in hers and the rest of the earth benders use Hung Gar...Waterbending obviously uses Tai chi...and Air bending is Ba gua... Just for FYI
The only reason i actually know this is I study praying mantis style...

I honestly believe shes too much of a pshycopath to be a true master

I was under the impression that a master is one who taught as pupil to bend. Master Katara, Master Pakku etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that says to me: She isn't a master since she doesn't teach. She probably is powerful enough to be a master, but she lacks the patience to deal with slow learners, and she would scare any pupils away. As the two people above me say, she lacks the temperment.

but we are not asking if she has the patience to teach someone... You don't have to have patience to master the art (Obviously... in Zhao's case...). She has mastered the art since you have to master it to move on to the lightning.

To whoever it was that said you need to be extremely calm to learn lightning bending... then you obviously never met Azula. lol. She's isn't in any way calm yet she is able to easily pull of the lightning technique.

About the two different style.... When do you ever see the Kirebenders in a Kibadachi stance? They don't. The firebenders main stance is zenkotsudachi. The movements are completely different and the stance is different... It's a different style of fighting.

How is Azula not calm? I don't remember seeing her hyped up. I've seen her as a cold maniac in battle. Calm does not mean you don't have any emotions. It means you keep your emotions controlled.

Also, lightening doesn't seem like fighting style in its own right. Is ice a completely different fighting style? No. Then again, I could be ranting complete nonsense.

I agree with Kiku. A master who has or can teach a pupil.

And who said Zhao was a master? He didn't at all have control, which a master should have. If he was called a master then it was a sign of respect. I mean, come on! What kind of master gets beaten by the basic moves against someone who isn't a master?

Iroh called him a master.... and a master does not have to take on pupils. If every master had to take on a pupil to be called master then there would be no point to it. That would also mean that someone who takes on a pupil was also a master... That's completely ridiculous.

I see your point. But still, I believe that Zhao was called master as a sign of respect, not a sign of position. I mean, Zuko did beat him when he was still working on the basics.
And I said can or has taught a pupil.

okay no offense but joushouryuu....u have no idea what is going on.

Okay first off LIGHTNING has only one stance so far when the lightning is actually released. Azula and Iroh both use the bow stance except with the middle and index finger extended.

No Azula can't cast short blasts of lightning. Many of her blue flames were mistaken for short blasts of lightning

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^^bow stance.

secondly
Firebending DOES use the horse stance aka Kiba Dachi

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^^taken directly from the episode 'The desert' when Jeong jeong was teaching Aang FIREBENDING

wow , i thing ....,. deeerrrr , of course azula a bending masted .....
and very , very goood .... shes need more concentration and control of your power , but ,
shes is , now , and forever , a Fire Prodigy .... zuko's very good to , but azula's is
the best's of fire ..... forever ^^