kemary
Jul 4, 2006 14:33:29 GMT -6
Post by kemary on Jul 4, 2006 14:33:29 GMT -6
The Earth itself, sorry for misconceptions drawn from my post
I think he was spontaneously created by the spirits, with mastery of all elements without having to learn him. I'm talking born an adult etc....
Anonymous
Jul 4, 2006 14:38:42 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 14:38:42 GMT -6
Hehehe, I'm sorry if that makes me laugh but it's a bit weird.
dosho
Jul 4, 2006 14:50:18 GMT -6
Post by dosho on Jul 4, 2006 14:50:18 GMT -6
I think that he can from water. Because that was the start of the cycle. Curse you Nick, GIVE US MORE INFORMATION!!!
Anonymous
Jul 4, 2006 14:57:12 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 14:57:12 GMT -6
Kemari has already shown us that it was not obligatorily like the cycle. But Do Sho is a bit right, Kemari, because the ancestors from the Water Tribes learnt how to Waterbend by seeing the spirits Tui and La and they were the first so...he's right too.
kemary
Jul 4, 2006 15:02:07 GMT -6
Post by kemary on Jul 4, 2006 15:02:07 GMT -6
But, do you think the Avatar existed before Earth, Air, and Firebenders? I dont think so. Which means its not obligatory that its water, because earth air and fire already existed at that point. Mightve been random, mightve been water, but again, I think its neither. Remember, the spirits came together to create the incarnation of the four elements which implies creation, and a wholly seperate human, one created by the spirits themselves. I think this first avatar was more powerful than any other, because he was the spirits themselves.
Anonymous
Jul 4, 2006 15:10:05 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 15:10:05 GMT -6
Yeah, you think the Avatar wasn't obligatorily a bender before he knew that he was the Avatar ? But the Avatar is the reincarnation of the spirit of the Planet in someone. So there was benders before or the Avatar wouldn't exist, right ? Or how do you think he would learn how to bend ? You think he didn't learn and he already knew but that's impossible because the Avatar (I mean all of the Avatars) has to master the elements. Right ?
kemary
Jul 5, 2006 8:23:12 GMT -6
Post by kemary on Jul 5, 2006 8:23:12 GMT -6
Yes, but how could he have known he was the avatar if he was the first? I think the first avatar was created not born, and he taught the nations about himself, and that he would reincarnate. Otherwise, how would people know about the avatar and what to do with him? I dont think its possible that the first one couldve puzzled it out on his own(that he needs to learn all four elements in order, tell people what nation the next reincarnation will be in, even find out that he CAN bend all elements...) It just doesnt seem like he couldve accidentally done it all without knowing beforehand exactly what he had to do! Thats why I think the first avatar was created as a grown person with mastery of the elements and knowing exactly what he had to do to fulfill his destiny.
shui
Jul 13, 2006 22:16:36 GMT -6
Post by shui on Jul 13, 2006 22:16:36 GMT -6
HELLO!!! The Avatar Cycle Is Air,Water,Earth,Fire. And the Only way to break the cycle is to kill the avatar in the Avatar state!
rahara
Jul 13, 2006 23:45:52 GMT -6
Post by rahara on Jul 13, 2006 23:45:52 GMT -6
... thanks for sharing.
So basically, waht your saying is, the avatar is like jesus? Im not meaning to offend any hardcore christians, but Jesus was this person who could make miracles, but he was just sourta created fromt he 'Virgin marry'.
So, that would mean the Avatar was created by a *higher being* according to what Im getting from Kemari
loki
Nov 3, 2006 22:06:51 GMT -6
Post by loki on Nov 3, 2006 22:06:51 GMT -6
The Avatar is the spirit of the Planet. If the Avatar is killed in the Avatar State the spirit of the Planet will die. Therefore the Planet would most likely have incarnated out of neccesity. I think all out war broke out among the nations, with all four bending arts discovered. This would be enough to put the Planet's life in danger alot more than an Avatar triggering and dying in the Avatar State. With reincarnation, it would acually be safer than the Moon and Ocean spirits. The airbenders would be the most looking for peace via peaceful coexistence. There for I believe that the Avatar began with the Air Nomads, and one of them recieved a vision from the spirits. They are, after all, a highly spiritual people.
genshuku
Nov 4, 2006 16:48:42 GMT -6
Post by genshuku on Nov 4, 2006 16:48:42 GMT -6
In my opinion, judging from what you guys have said and what I'm cooking up in my mind. I'd have to say that the first avatar was probably a spirit who came to the planet to preserve it and keep it protected. I'm also guessing that this was before the creation of creatures and life. I'm guessing after life was created by some spirit man or groups of spirits(Polytheism like in eastern cultures). The aforementioned spirit took the form of animals. These animals were possibly spirits themselves who came to the planet to see what they had created. However, they each chose a different area to live in and lifestyle. The spirit mentioned above was probably the first to come to the earth so it was given precedence over the others adn thus became able to manipulate its environment as it chose. Tui and Laa were around and they gave it waterbending, an earth spirit gave it earthbending, fire and air as well. Note this was before the spirits figured out how to make humans. Wanting to join its breatheren, the bending spirit enfused itself into an animal making it a "bending" animal. Possibly starting with Air, or Water, the being created Flying Bisons, Unagi or maybe some waterbending animal we haven't seen yet. As time went on and his shell died out(Hinduistic reincarnation), he took on the form of another animal or Avatar. He continued this creating four bending animals: Flying Bison, Dragon(Like Roku's Guide in Winter Solstice), Unagi or other waterbending animal, adn the badgermoles. Eventually the spirits created humans and the spirits taught humans bending. The spirit decided to take on a human avatar to protect the planet. He possibly made his human shell before the rest of humanity learned bending. Taking the body of a newborn, he was the first avatar but hid his powers until he was ready to use his powers. When he was 16, the age when the person is told they are the avatar, he/she decided to use their powers but in small amounts until the world was ready. When humanity learned how to manipulate the four elements, the avatar revealed himself(Possibly by now was an old man) and took charge of the world. He ruled until he died and took on the form of another human. This continued until the four nations were created. By now, the spirit was in his/her 20th or something form and decided to be reborn into one of the new civilizations. Choosing the civilization closest to the spirits(Air Nomads), the avatar borned himself into the culture adn the first nation avatar was created. Wanting to be fair and just to all the civilizations, he created the cycle in the way he did the animal shells. Creating the cycle.
ronin
Nov 4, 2006 20:27:05 GMT -6
Post by ronin on Nov 4, 2006 20:27:05 GMT -6
Probally not. And I think the avatar would be around long before the statues ever really were made. Before civilization ever really took its steps. Atleast thats my theory. The avatar has always been around, and will continue to do so. Course I think that monkeys will rule the world so I could be crazy.
suyami
Nov 23, 2006 23:02:26 GMT -6
Post by suyami on Nov 23, 2006 23:02:26 GMT -6
I think that the Avatar was just there, or maybe someone just had a talent for all types of bending, and some guy said, "Let's call him the Avatar!" and maybe then he died, and then some other guy popped up who had the same talent, and then another person said, "Hey, maybe it's the reincarnation!"
stevo3241
Nov 30, 2006 20:16:24 GMT -6
Post by stevo3241 on Nov 30, 2006 20:16:24 GMT -6
Maybe he's pictured in the painting/ thingy that lights up when Aand first goes Avatar State in the earth nation. Episode: The Southern Air Temple
Dec 6, 2006 13:06:07 GMT -6
Post by Gia on Dec 6, 2006 13:06:07 GMT -6
Watch your post counts - keep them over 200 Characters!