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Katara vs. Ty Lee

xaolin0091
Nov 12, 2006 13:59:39 GMT -6

Post by xaolin0091 on Nov 12, 2006 13:59:39 GMT -6

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This is another battle that I am not sure what the outcome would be. On "Return to Omashu" at the end, Katara fights with Mai (the girl that throws daggers, darts, exc.) and then Ty Lee intervenes. Ty Lee comes from behind her and hits Katara in certain pressure points which causes Katara to lose her bending abilities temporarily. Katara is an expert water bender, and she was already occupied with Mai, but Ty Lee seems to be trained in close quarters combat on a high degree. Ty Lee would have to get very close to Katara to be effective but I doubt Katara would let her get that close. What do you guys think the outcome of this battle would be?

Also, I would chose Katara because she can waterbend and defend herself, most likely not letting Ty Lee get close to her but this is a tough decision.

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kgal
Nov 12, 2006 14:29:49 GMT -6

Post by kgal on Nov 12, 2006 14:29:49 GMT -6

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Hrm... I suppose if Katara dodged Ty Lee's attacks fast enough, Katara would stand a chance. Her waterbending is powerful and fast enough... but Ty Lee is more agile and much faster than Katara. Ty Lee's very good at getting around a person, though I think that Katara could just as easily b****-slap her if her chi was blocked...

Then again, Ty Lee could just render Katara helpless by hitting nerves/veins/any other crucial points that stop her movement entirely, like she did to the earthbenders in "The Drill."

Then again, Katara could just freeze Ty Lee before she had the chance to get that close....

Both have their pros and cons, and there are probably a thousand combinations of outcomes. I'm sorta torn myself. I'd say a tie, only because I want neither to die!
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hieu
Nov 12, 2006 15:32:13 GMT -6

Post by hieu on Nov 12, 2006 15:32:13 GMT -6

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It's based on environment. If they were in an open field and Katara had no water except the small hip bottle Ty Lee gains a huge advantage since she is extremely agile and likely has the reflexes of an incredible warrior.

However if Katara had a body source of water she could easily cause a huge tidal wave or something to drench Ty Lee in water then freeze the water creating a prison like she did to Jet.

Iono the exact capabilities of Ty Lee so it's quite debatable
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suyami
Nov 13, 2006 21:36:25 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Nov 13, 2006 21:36:25 GMT -6

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Ty Lee seems quite agile, and if she were encased in ice, Katara could easily beat her, but Ty Lee has that incredible knowledge of pressure points. As usual, I am going to side with Takano on this one, for it does largely have to do with the environment. All Katara has to do is freeze her little fingers!
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hieu
Nov 14, 2006 14:42:33 GMT -6

Post by hieu on Nov 14, 2006 14:42:33 GMT -6

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I just thought about this, but this would also overpower water benders.

but since the body contains a high content of water....which is aprox. 60% wouldn't that mean that water benders could freeze that water and possibly kill the person from extreme hypothermia? If water can be pulled from the body shouldn't water be able to be frozen within the body? If it does then Ty Lee lost regardless of any environment even if Katara didn't have water. Freeze the water within the body and the water expands. The cold blood would run back to the heart and cause shock.

Just a thought
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karl
Nov 14, 2006 16:20:23 GMT -6

Post by karl on Nov 14, 2006 16:20:23 GMT -6

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The water in Aang's body had not bonded with his internal chemistry and chi. It was separate, therefore controllable. Won't work Hieu. As for the battle, it also depends on the agressor. Ty Lee could attack Katara when she wasn't on her guard, Ty Lee. Katara could attack Ty Lee unexpectedly and win. With time to get ready, Ty Leew would lose.

Advantage: Katara!
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hieu
Nov 14, 2006 19:30:53 GMT -6

Post by hieu on Nov 14, 2006 19:30:53 GMT -6

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^^uh....that statement to contradict mine was completely irrelevant. I'm not talking about when Aang was in the ice. I'm talking about the human body. Every human body is around 60% water. And if Aang is not human then what is he?

Anyway. Thats my thoughts
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spirit300
Nov 14, 2006 21:03:28 GMT -6

Post by spirit300 on Nov 14, 2006 21:03:28 GMT -6

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katara would win, if your inspecific to the conditions. the first fight they had, ty lee caught katara off guard. now, katara has a huge advantage. also, theres the environment factor which you should already understand. but waterbenders are good at "going with the flow" (waterbending pun :)). as long as she keeps ty lee back with icicles, her water-whips, and other techniques, katara would win. Ty lee only can fight in hand to hand combat.

by the way, takano, if you're yet to notice, the world of avatar is not bound to our laws of physics and such. ITS A FICTIONAL SHOW! the writers can say what will and wont, and what can and cant happen. get it? a nickelodeon show would not give a "peaceable" nation with an instant kill ability. waterbenders cant freeze a person's body. Dont argue with me. even if they could, they wouldnt. and I dont really care what else you have to say. IT DOESNT MATTER. Get it? Got it? Dont? Too bad.
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jrz
Nov 16, 2006 16:01:42 GMT -6

Post by jrz on Nov 16, 2006 16:01:42 GMT -6

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depends what part of the day it is and where they are because katara has moon strength and she has fire and without water katara can not do big waves if shes at the ocean then then the battle is already won think about it how much water there is in her bending canteen its all about location
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suyami
Dec 4, 2006 22:37:17 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Dec 4, 2006 22:37:17 GMT -6

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I'm thinking Katara, still. I mean, picture this. Ty Lee comes up, and Katara freezes her. Uh oh, looks like Ty Lee can't do anything. The fight is kind of over now. Of course, if there was no water, Ty Lee would pretty much kick Katara's ass. Excuse my language.
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aamishi
Dec 8, 2006 16:31:28 GMT -6

Post by aamishi on Dec 8, 2006 16:31:28 GMT -6

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How that Katara knows how to control water around to the point where she can have around her body and still attack with it, even if all she has is the water in her pouch, she can create a thin layer of water around her to protect herself from Ty Lee's attacks. Even a thin layer of protection should be enough to keep the "Circus Freak" from effecting Katara.

If this is so, then Katara should be able to win most of the time, but Ty Lee is very fast and nimble, as we saw in the season finale where she caught Katara completely by surprise.
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hieu
Dec 8, 2006 19:41:59 GMT -6

Post by hieu on Dec 8, 2006 19:41:59 GMT -6

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The one thing i'm wondering about which probably would undoubtable add to the immense power a water bender COULD have. . . Is what about the small amounts of water in our air? Trees give off water vapor (very small percentage) but given enough space and enough concentration a water bender could draw all the small vapors from the air and put it into a single weapon.

This would mean that regardless Katara will have a rather abundant source of water and as Aamishi said she would be able to protect herself from Ty Lee's fighting style.
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princejaze
Dec 10, 2006 8:58:36 GMT -6

Post by princejaze on Dec 10, 2006 8:58:36 GMT -6

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Hrmmmm .... Ty lee's good , fast ... but katara can stop she's so easy ....
wew , but Ty lee is a important part of a powerfull group ... the elite team... she , Mai and
my favorite , AZULA , can stop other's too ... so , of course , there's a difficult batle ...
but anyway Ty lee can defeat katara , , same with she's gynastics habilities ...
cause Katara have a big capacity , te special water bender ^^

P R I N C E _ J A Z E ^^

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reinosuke
Jan 16, 2007 22:33:01 GMT -6

Post by reinosuke on Jan 16, 2007 22:33:01 GMT -6

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I am gonna have to go with Ty Lee winning over katara mostly because she's pretty much a master of (at least i think so) the martial art style called Kyusho-Jitsu (attacking the pressure points) AND she's the most flexible person in the entire show. She would completely annihalate Katara in any kind of fight except if it were snowing maybe. So yeah that's all i got to say.
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karl
Jan 19, 2007 19:24:06 GMT -6

Post by karl on Jan 19, 2007 19:24:06 GMT -6

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Might I mention that Katara pwns all? Sorry, I just figured that out.

Right. Well, we saw what Katara did to the Earth Kingdom soldiers? That wouldn't work on Ty Lee because of her flexibility, you would think. Then you'd be wrong. Ty Lee, agile as she is, jumps around too much. No one can really switch directions in the air, so Katara could potentially knock Ty Lee away before she got close. If Ty Lee wisens to this tactic and runs, she loses part of her astounding talent of dodgery.
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Post by A Long Display Name Here on Jan 23, 2007 14:28:10 GMT -6

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I agree with Takano's earlier statement, about the environment being a crucial factor in a Ty Lee/me...er, Katara fight. If there was no water save Katara's pouch, she'd be a sitting duck (so to speak) We saw this in the Omashu episode.

However, were there to be an external source of water, like a river, stream, or even slurry, Ty Lee would be helpless, as we saw in The Secret of the Fire Nation.

Takano - Theoretcially, it's possible for waterbenders to freeze internal water; the only problem with that is Katara would have to be holding on to a part of Ty Lee's body; she'd be putting herself in harms way. Besides, I dont think Katara would want to kill Ty Lee, even if she is a chi-targeting fighter... and some other things too. *mutters something about making eyes at her brother*
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karl
Jan 23, 2007 17:39:28 GMT -6

Post by karl on Jan 23, 2007 17:39:28 GMT -6

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And the bigger Katara fan with a rebutal! ((O.o))

This is of course, assuming both know what they know now. So with just her water, Katara could still keep Ty Lee at bay indefinately, if she can't destroy her easily. But with plenty of water, as far as I can tell, Firelord Ozai just might have a chance... I mean, Ty Lee would lose. Always, without fail.
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Post by A Long Display Name Here on Jan 23, 2007 17:49:55 GMT -6

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What? Sorry for the short post, but Minamo, what you just said made no sense. O_o?
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karl
Jan 23, 2007 17:53:26 GMT -6

Post by karl on Jan 23, 2007 17:53:26 GMT -6

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Using before mentioned reasoning, Katara would always win. That is, assuming she knows all about Ty Lee. If not, she's dead because she doesn't know what to do... At least, without much water. With plenty of water, I was saying that Katara could potentially possibly defeat the Firelord. Therefore, setting isn't really important!

*bows*
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Post by A Long Display Name Here on Jan 23, 2007 18:10:18 GMT -6

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Um, defeating Ozai isnt the topic here. Let's keep it to just Ty Lee vs. Katara.
And I still say that setting matters. Okay, say they're in a volcano, as per the Battle Training thread. Katara would still be roast; she cant fight as well hand to hand as Ty Lee can.
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