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Romance Pairings II

karl
Jan 30, 2007 18:30:50 GMT -6

Post by karl on Jan 30, 2007 18:30:50 GMT -6

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joychmi said:
I'm not sure if I understood...

After watching, re-watchiing, e-re-watching and re-re-re-watchig the Season Finale, I figured out there was POSSIBLY a hint about Azula's love life. Remember this:

Azula: Have you met the Dai-Li ? They're Earthbenders, but they have a killer instinct that is so Fire Nation. I just love it !!

If you listen to the "so" like I understand it, then Azula loves the Dai-Li. And she said she loved their Fire Nation instinct. She could have said she liked their instinct, but she said she "loved" it. hat wouldn't surprise me if she ended up with her closest bodyguard (meaning one of the Dai-Li agents, certainly the one who's looking after her the most, who serves her, who's always with her, who's helping her when she plans something.... this one).


*pats on head*

Nice little delusional person. Azula paired with anyone is pure folly. She doesn't have love in her repartoire. Fear, maybe, anger, probably, sadistic glee, definately. But love? No way. Apathetic sadistic villainistic awesomeness has no lover. she might marry some stupid Fire Nation noble that'll be her unwitting puppet, if she manages to convince him she isn't a psycho. But a bodyguard? HAH!
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Anonymous
Feb 4, 2007 7:51:00 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2007 7:51:00 GMT -6

I said bodyguard because the Dai-Li are like her bodyguards... but I meant the evilest Dai-Li. Like the one who was planning everything with Long Feng in the office ("Should we take care of him ?"), or maybe the one who jumped in front of General Hao during the coup and acted like if he was the great man here ("You're under our's arrest"), or one of the two who protected her from Zuko's attack in the Royal Palace, or maybe the one who's always going with Long Feng, the one who gives him his food and who hassaid good thngs about Azula ("Oh, yeah, more than cooperating. She's really taken charge, she's terrifying and inspirational all at the same time. It's hard to explain."). Or she could just fall in love wih Joo-Dee. This is stupid but I had to write it, like if a mysterious force had forced me to do so... ;D. And maybe Azula is all you wrote, Kame, but she's still a girl (she's still human) and by definition, she has feelings. And as far as I know, love is a feeling so se can fall in love (the whole mystery is "how" ?).
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suyami
Mar 3, 2007 16:48:39 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Mar 3, 2007 16:48:39 GMT -6

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Zutara will so win out all the ships. I have slowly recovered from the season finale, with the help of Photoshop Elements 5.0, my computer, and some AMAZING fanfiction by great authors. If anyone is a true Zutara fan, you should read Tempest and the Teacup. You so have to. The greatest AU fic ever. Sorry, back to the subject. Okay, so I think that Zuko and Katara should end up together. (bet you guessed that, didn't you. Anyhoo.... Opposites attract, right? And to all you people who think Azula is going to fall in love, I laugh at you. HA! Nah, just kidding. Well, actually, I do, but still. Nice idea, though.
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karl
Mar 3, 2007 16:58:01 GMT -6

Post by karl on Mar 3, 2007 16:58:01 GMT -6

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Azula falling in love would be about as unlikely as Phage falling in love. Okay, she did, but it was the First, so that doesn't count, they kinda are the only-Sorry, tangent. Anyways, just no way.

*blink* Jetara was revived for one episode, but then jet's death slaughtered it. The crazy Zutara fangirl has returned (finally!), perfect for showing my skills of destruction. Zuko may fall in love with Katara, but I just have to say it: He's not going to live. His death is absolutely going to happen, more assuredly een than the fact that Tang is impossible and that Phage, Lust, and Azula cannot be defeated by any mortal... Or demigod.

Mai\Zuko makes me annoyed, because the only problem I have with Mai is that she actually admires Zuko. *bleh*

And finally, Zuko-Toph is impossible, Zuko-slash of anytype is just stupid, Zutara has no way of coming to fruition, Zuko/Jin is apparently dead, and Zuko... Ty Lee? I dunno. Zuko dead, so whatever.

EDIT: Back from FF.net. Zuko is paired with every girl on the list other than Meng. Including Yue, Azula, Suki, and Ty Lee.
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ailin
Mar 3, 2007 17:37:12 GMT -6

Post by ailin on Mar 3, 2007 17:37:12 GMT -6

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How do you figure Zuko's gonna bite the dust and that is most assuredly going to happen?

I'm the type of person who would be happy enough if none of them got together (ship free!) since Aang and Toph still seem too young for anything more than crushes. Although, after watching Sokka get his love on with Yue and with Suki...gotta say I like him and Suki together. They're cute, and Suki's a kick butt warrior. Oh sure, she might be dead (putting the Death Curse on Sokka), but I'm hoping she isn't.

While Aang's love for Katara is sweet, I don't think it would work at any point during the show. If they all survived and Aang got all his Avatarness in order, maybe it would work. Thinking in just terms of the show, I'm closer to a Zutara sort of thing. It's the whole opposites attract. To be truthful, it'll be an uphill battle for those two. I'd be just as soon amused by any romantic situation that makes Zuko uncomfortable. Really doesn't matter who, just as long as he is awkard in that situation. Zuko's constant failure is a constant source of amusement. :P

I don't know if I can really see Aang with anyone in the end, his job of being the Avatar being so big and so much bigger than him at the moment. Not until he's deal with everything could he really begin to think of that in a real fashion. He'll need to rely on his friends without the 'attachment' of a complicated pre-teen relationship thing.

Azula with anyone right now is more apt to cause me to laugh insanely. She's just so cold and manipulative the only person she could be with would have to be as talented and manipulative as she is. Hey, she can go out with herself. :P

So for now, I like Sokka and Suki as an actual couple, find Zutara amusing but would be fine with anything, think Aang can't handle a relationship for the time being, and anyone with Azula is madness.
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suyami
Mar 10, 2007 18:10:25 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Mar 10, 2007 18:10:25 GMT -6

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Well, the point is, Aang's love for Katara is "sweet", and that's about it, peoples. I mean, seriously. Sorry Kataang fans, not gonna happen ANYtime soon. And Zuko and Mai would be kinda obvious, but there were a lot of Zutara hints in the finale (I bought it and downloaded it onto my iPod. I'm a dork) Well, I'm biased though, cause I am "a crazy Zuko fangirl". I think in the 3rd season there will be a lot more relationships being finalized, and a lot of ships being, shall I say, drowned. Those incest fics with Zuko/Azula and Katara/Sokka just make me squirm. I mean, can you say EWWW!
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karl
Mar 11, 2007 12:46:32 GMT -6

Post by karl on Mar 11, 2007 12:46:32 GMT -6

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Yes, and you're right about that. And I recently re-saw "Imprisoned", the one with Haru, and I now think Karu slightly more strongly before. And Zukong, I think is possible, but not going to be revitalised. But we will see Haru again, methinks. Also... Um... Aang and Toph is still a stupid ship. Sizists! :P

And why not, hm? Aang's relationship with Katara was very much shown in the finale! Zutara vs. Kataang debate must not be revived here.

Once again, reinforcement of earlier things said. Azula/anyone is stupid, Toph/Aang is also, and incest, slash, or femslash is only okay in fanfiction, I think it's just stupid!
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suyami
Mar 12, 2007 16:59:45 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Mar 12, 2007 16:59:45 GMT -6

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Well, Aang gave up his "love" for Katara, and there was some Zutara action in the finale. I mean, it's like Mike and Brian threw us fangirls a cookie, and it turned out to have a string attached and they PULLED IT BACK! But the cookie is still there, and they WILL throw it back, no strings attached. HA! ZUTARA LIVES! And sorry guys, but while I'm "back", so will Zutara. Remember, I used to be Kataang, but I changed. For the better, trust me. Zutara will live!
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lin
Mar 16, 2007 2:46:40 GMT -6

Post by lin on Mar 16, 2007 2:46:40 GMT -6

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I think not! :D

No, seriously. All these massive Kataang hints (boy, as someone on DevART pointed out, they really sound like onematapia... onomatapea... something...) throughout the entire series and that one Zutara cave scene... Brian and co. like to play with our heads. IT’S KATAANG! I SWEARZ. > <

Gg Sokka/Toph, though. But they don't interact quite enough in the past few episodes to confirm anything, but I'm getting that vibe... you know? :D

I guess I can’t wait for season 3 to start. Blah, need more new Avatar.
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karl
Mar 18, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -6

Post by karl on Mar 18, 2007 13:02:02 GMT -6

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Hey you frequent visitors of this thread: Check out the Pairing war game!

Anyways, I recently re-saw "The Boy in the Iceberg", and enjoyed the moments like "Why are you smiling at me like that?" "Oh, I was smiling?" Something you get to forgetting everytime you rewatch the finale. Suyami corrupted me once, but that one episode brought me back. I suggest Zutara people to rewatch the first few episodes, specifically "The Boy in the Iceberg" and "The Warriors of Kyoshi". Also, watch "The Cave of Two Lovers." Kataang has never been more obvious.

Also, for you citers of the scene in the crystal catcombs, I just wish to point out my signature. Forgiveness is not the same as Infatuation, understand? Thanks.
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suyami
Apr 1, 2007 21:33:30 GMT -6

Post by suyami on Apr 1, 2007 21:33:30 GMT -6

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*clears throat* Prepare yourselves for the reasons why I ship my ship. (that sounds so cool...) ANYhow..... Okay. You said to watch those eppies, right? I have. Zuko has never looked hotter in that first episode, except after he cut his hair. So hawt..... Anyways, the episode, what is it? I think it's Imprisoned, or something. Where Haru and his dad go on that ship, and Katara's all "i'll save you!" At the end, Zuko totally has her necklace. You can see the love on his face. ALSO, one of the other two big episodes is the one where Jun is in it, and Zuko asks her to trace the necklace. Jun says, "What, your girlfriend?" If you notice, Zuko never denies this. EVER! And, if you watch the part of that eppy where they ride into the perfume place with Katara and Sokka on the Shirshu, when they get bumped, Zuko totally leans back and grabs Katara's ass! He's protective and doesn't want her to get knocked off. And, if you watch the Waterbending Scroll.... I mean, come on. Do I have to say anything? He is SO flirting with Katara. "You see, I need to capture the Avatar to restore something I've lost.... My honor. I can restore something you've lost." And then he totally flirts. Seriously. And of COURSE, the source of so many icons, there is the Finale Scene. *bows down* I love that scene. But then Zuko had to go be an ass and ruin it all!!!
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karl
Apr 2, 2007 6:46:16 GMT -6

Post by karl on Apr 2, 2007 6:46:16 GMT -6

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The question shouldn't be whether or not Aang or Zuko likes Katara as much as whom she likes. Of course, she loves the Blue Spirit... And Haru/Ty Lee... XD School time shippings. All we really know is Katara now misses Jet, and that she doesn't like Bumi ::( . I suppose we ought to cite Katara stuff here, but the only Zutara from Katara would be... Finale, and my old avatar made my views on that clear. Katara hates Zuko in Book one, when he was... "Flirting," as you say, she was glaring... And, of course "GO JUMP IN THE RIVER!" In the first season finale, she was perfectly fine with letting him die. She cares to much about Aang to ever feel anything for Zuko while he still is their enemy.
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Anonymous
Apr 5, 2007 17:36:50 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2007 17:36:50 GMT -6

OK, before I can go back on all the evental ships from School Time Shipping related to the Show, I want to bring Su-su down (on the ground). So here I go:

In "Imprisoned", Zuko sees the necklace a a chance to get the Avatar back, because he knows that it'll be a way to find Katara, and thus, Aang. What you can see in his eyes isn't love, but determination.
And in "Bato of The Water Tribe" (the one with Jun), Zuko doesn't deny it when she says "Your girlfirend left you ?" because he doesn't care, it doesn't matter for him. All he wants at that time is the Avatar. And if she can help him find what he wants, then I think that what she says doesn't matter for him.
Now, in the same eppy, when Zuko "grabs Katara's ass", as you said, he's just trying not to fall off the Shirshu by grabbing Katara's BACK. If you watch mre carefully, he pulls on her back, ot her bum.
Then, back to the Waterbending Scroll, I wanna ask you something: why do you think Zuko is kinda "flirting" with Katara ? Simply because it's a girl and that he wouldn't get what he wants if he didn't ask nicely and rather asked her roughly. Moreover, when he first asks her, she refuses to answer and he thinks about it for a second, if you see. And THEN he asks nicely. That's exactly what I'm saying.
And, for the scene in the Finale, I can't say anything... for the first time, Katara feels somethin towards Zuko (something that's neither hatred, nor disgust, nor anger... or anything like that). But I don't think it'll ever happen again. He kinda broke her heart and made his choice. Even if he becomes good, I don't think she'll eventually be able to forget that (but she may forgive him, there's a little chance)...

Now, what can I say about School Time Shipping ? Well, Haru/Ty Lee would be cool, if only Haru was there, and if Ty Lee didn't have the funny habit of always knocking down the guys she meets... Katara and the Blue Spirit is impossible: The Blue Spirit was Zuko and he's dead (I mean the Blue Spirit. Zuko's still alive, of course ;D). And even if he was still alive, Katara would have discovered his true identity and wouldn't have forgiven him... If she had ever met the Blue Spirit. Jet/Katara is now impossible (We lay you to rest, Jet), Haru/Katara doesn't seem possible because Haru's away and Katara isn't close enough to him. Sokka/Suki should happen if Sokka finds Suki. Sokka/Yue isn't really possible, unless Yue finds a way to come back to the Mortal world under her human form. I really think Azula should be paired with a Dai-Li agent. But that's only my thought... And Mai should just... hunt someone to be hipped with.
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karl
Apr 5, 2007 18:06:27 GMT -6

Post by karl on Apr 5, 2007 18:06:27 GMT -6

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Ugh, such stupid people. Just because I like Zuko doesn't mean that I automatically have to find someone else. Yes I like Zuko, no I don't care about men very much, so go away!

Now that Mai is done with that... What does Haru have to say?

Well I never actually said I like Katara, nor really insinuated. it. I really just like Katara as a friend... And I haven't met this Ty Lee of whom you speak, so I don't see how I could be paired with her. Please just let me fight the fire nation in peace... Erm... War.

Well... That was enlightening. I thing Aang and Katara are talking right now, let's see what's going on...

PENGUIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Oh my... Is this... Tiroh?

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Hey, he's fifty years older than me, who's doing this? If it's those stupid guys my parents hired, I'm going to *graphically describes painful uses of Earthbending*

*hides rose behind back* Does anyone want tea?

That was disturbing. Now let's see what Zuko has to say.

MEEHEEEHEEE! Must take over the world! The Avatar, he has my precioussssss... Katara, that is!

Though not as disturbing as that. Any other charcters wish to discuss shippings... Oh! Princess Azula! Your Highness *bows*

Joychi, you are obviously delusional. I feel no attraction from any sub-royal Dai Lee bodyguard, and I never will-

HI JOYCHI! *flips through the air multiple times to land next to the Black Earth Spirit* Why they were right, you are a cutie!

Well, I think that concludes this schedule of "Shippings with People".


Okay, I think I just restated my opinions in a nice little script format of characters. In case you were wondering, the orange is me. And the pink is Ty Lee. I hope this isn't too annoying...
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Anonymous
Apr 22, 2007 13:33:20 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2007 13:33:20 GMT -6

*shakes his head* This is both funny and weird (or kinda stupid, in the way that it's completely weird, and possibly wrong, but most of it is really strange and maybe wrong... and by the way, the Ty Lee speech is REALLY weird, as is Zuko's, and Iroh's, and ). Since he made a nice speech, decribing all characters thoughts into speeches, I'll innovate too (I shouldn't be doing that since I'm a mod, but its to clarify things).

There is an earthquake, an explosion in the ground with the Black Earth Spirit jumping out of it*lands in a crash* So, that's what Kochi thinks they thik. But exposed like you did, Ko'chi, it sounds like nobody should be paired with anyone and that I should just close that thread because it's already all set up. But I'm gonna show you, with Earthbending, what it's really about. *steps atop a hill and looks at the large land forward* First.. *closes his eyes, his sight becomes green*makes a larg and wide board appear from the ground* Then.. *throws big letters shaped rocks into the board to write*: "this thread is actually to expose your thoughts about Shippings, and defend them. You must give your own thoughts, andthat's exactly what I did. I just said what I thought would be the best parings for every character. But if you assume that Azula shall not be paired with anyone and thus be prevented from knowing what it feels to like someone a lot (someone other than herself or her father), then I understand." *looks at what he wrote, then throws more rocks* "And btw, Ty Lee, I'm already in love with someone else. Find someone as shiny as you." *smiles* Now, let's send it to Ko'... *stomps the ground and pushes forward with a great effort*the big board is sent flying towards the addressee* Hope you'll be able to read it ;D.
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sayeko
Apr 30, 2007 1:05:01 GMT -6

Post by sayeko on Apr 30, 2007 1:05:01 GMT -6

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I am a big Zuko/Katara Fan , They are just so cute together . I also Like The Aang/Toph pairing because of the way they are complete opsites yet still are a adorable Couple . Even Though I am a Ty Lee / sokka fan I also like Suki/Sokka .

[glow=brown,2,300]Joychi Edit: I'm annoyed by all those short posts... *sighs* Please make posts over 300 characters, which is much more than three lines (and much more than what you wrote). I'm gonna give you a chance because you're a new member, but next time, I'll delete the posts.
And that implies everyone who posts here: next time, I'll delete the posts with no warning !![/glow]
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suyami
May 30, 2007 17:59:11 GMT -6

Post by suyami on May 30, 2007 17:59:11 GMT -6

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Thank you, my friend. It just makes sense, doesn't it? Taang I am not so sure, cause they just don't... mesh. Suki/Sokka sounds cool, but I think she's... erm.... dead. Heh. Ty Lee/Sokka will go over much better.

*clears throat*

I shall now copy Kochi/Oni with this character monopolization.

I'm sorry, but I'm just undeniably attracted to Zuko, it's inevitable.

But Katara, no! I love you so!

Sorry Aang, you're just too boring for me. Besides, you look like you're twelve.

I am madly and passionately in love with Katara, and you can't stop me! She thinks my scar is shmexy.

My sister can't like Zuko! THE HORROR!

Shut up, Sokka.
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ailin
May 30, 2007 18:57:07 GMT -6

Post by ailin on May 30, 2007 18:57:07 GMT -6

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Over at AvatarSpirit.net there was an interview with the creators that touched on a few of the shipping things, namely how the series was geared towards Kataang from the beginning, and seems to be inevitably heading in that direction. They also went on to mention some sort of interaction between Zuko and Mai (who obviously had a crush on him when they were young). I think that'll be interesting, especially if it illicits a reaction out of Mai other than deadpanned boredom.

There was also a small bit about how Ty Lee is a bit like a puppy, who will show affection to almost anyone who notices her, which I thought was funny. Ty Lee is just the type of person who just bounces from person to person, and while she's on the 'bad guys' side, she generally doesn't hold the same ruthlessness as the others, and is more likely to show interest in the other team.

As for Suki, I would go with "alive until proven dead." It'd be almost too cruel to let Sokka's second girlfriend to die, especially at the hands of a 14 year old girl. There's also a lingering need for Sokka to prove that he can save the people he cares about in his life, and I think it'd be a very compelling storyline for him to find and help Suki. Suki's proven herself to be a very capable warrior, and while she was defeated, that is still not the same as dead. I'd give her a chance, at least for poor Sokka's sake.

But, I suppose the interview with the creators sort of solidified certain ships more than others, like Kataang and Maiko (or whatever it's called). Because of how good Avatar is, I believe that whatever they do will work out fine for the characters. Aang and Katara's relation-friendship thing will be resolved in some way, Toph will probably deal with her crush on Sokka on her own, and Zuko and Mai will probably have awkward moments together. I know that whatever happens, I will be amused by it, and they'll make it work within the context of the age range of the characters. I was glad for their clarification on certain things, though. It helped me let go of the 'classical' Zutara thing. :)
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suyami
May 30, 2007 21:08:15 GMT -6

Post by suyami on May 30, 2007 21:08:15 GMT -6

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I respect your opinions, but consider myself free to criticize them.

I like your whole thing with "alive until proven dead", but the same thing goes for Zutara. It's still a ship, until brutally crushed underfoot with combat boots that have the little steel spikies. Until Katara and Aang start making out periodically on the show, I will still have faith in my show. Katara's just too old for him, and until Katara actually shows anything other than brotherly affection for Aang.... I just don't buy it.

Zutara isn't "classical". Oh wait, it kind of is. I just ship that kind of stuff, good girl and bad guy get together. *cough* draco/hermione *cough* Yeah.... Well, it's all the same stuff, and the same type of people generally ship that sort of stuff. It's just the way those things go, and we won't give up hope.

*bow*
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ronin
Jun 18, 2007 7:40:40 GMT -6

Post by ronin on Jun 18, 2007 7:40:40 GMT -6

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I thought I put my cents in here, but I refuse to vote because I really don't dwell on the whole, "Is Katara gonna go out with a 12 year old guy who has been reincarnated for who knows how long with untold power?" or the anything along those lines. *shudder* The whole thing is too confusing for my tastes. But I will put my oppinion on the whole thing. My unprofessionable oppinion! HO!

Zutara seems kinda unlikely because, lets face it, with Zuko's betrayl there is little to no way of them getting together, unless she goes all evil villianous or something along those lines, which is even more unlikely than the relationship itself! But, because seems unlikely, there might be a twist that could result in them beign together for other reason which I cannot comprehend. TOO CONFUSING FOR MY PUNY LITTLE BRAIN!

Okay, moving on, Toph and Aang really brings the whole 'Opposites' attract thing into play, and I can tell you, NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!! They are completely opposites and I doubt Toph would even consider a relationship which she may consider restricting her freedom or something along those lines. Such a relationship would be even more confusing than the Zutara one! I refuse to go into anymore detail. All I can say is, "If it happens, then I'll put a bunny as my avatar." That is a challenge to faith! BRING IT!!!

Sokka and Toph.... prehaps when Sokka grows more of a spine... He just doesn't seem like the one who would be interested in Toph and I doubt Toph would.... wait a second... *remembers the serpent pass episode* Didn't she say something along the lines, "OH SOKKA, THANK YOU! *kiss* *kiss*
Its me, Suki.
O.O "Hehehe... yYou can let me drown now..."
I guess it is kind of possible. It does seem to hint at it.... But they just don't seem to appeal to well...

Sokka and Suki, I saw a great possiblity, if not a probablity. UNTIL AZULA CAME AND BLEW IT ALL AWAY! I mean, I doubt Azula would let a prisoner go and dress up in their attire at the risk of that person coming around and blowing her and her comrade's cover. But what do I know about tactics? I only play the games. *checkmate* HA! IN YOUR FACE!

Azula paired with anyone equals disaster for that one person. It won't happen! And no she would not be attracted to someone who is as manipulative as her! That is just crazy! She likes to be in control, she would like someone submissive, but at the same time would probally hate that person for being so weak! She is just like a Drow Matron in forgotten realms!!!!!! *yes, I am a D&D geek* "I wanna cast, magic missle!"

Katara and Haku... Haku is that earthbender right? Well, I think thats probably likely, but that is just as likely as some of the other things. Like Katara and Aang, or Katara going solo. THATS RIGHT! There is a chance that Katara may go solo and so may Aang! Though I think that Aang is probally gonna be with that girl witht he pigtails in the episode with the Fortune teller, though I never seen all of it from begining to end. :(

Zuko and Mei? That seems like the most likely thing in this whole thing! As soon as Zuko stops with the whole honorbound thing and looks into a relationship, then prehaps we will see some flowers bloom. But don't hold your breath.

Okay, I think that just about covers it. That is my totally unprofessional, mostly pessimistic, point of view. I know nothing of classical because most of the time classical means that it is probally the most unlikely thing to happen in most shows while its meshed with things that are likely gonna happen and will happen. There is my 7.8 cents (Don't ask).
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