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Ba Sing Se/The Secret of the Fire Nation

Anonymous
Sept 19, 2006 5:09:28 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2006 5:09:28 GMT -6

I made this thread because there are plenty of things I think we should talk about (Ba Sing Se, the drill, the Serpent's pass... All that has something to do with the movie "Secret of The fire Nation").

What about Ba sing Se ? I mean there are many topics about it. We know that the great city withstood two sieges but General sung said many enemies tried to invade the city. So, which siege was the most improved one ? Which one was the most spectacular ? Which one had the best leader ?....

What about the Drill ? What can we/what can you say about it ?...

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sethwynd
Sept 19, 2006 9:26:52 GMT -6

Post by sethwynd on Sept 19, 2006 9:26:52 GMT -6

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Only question I have about the drill is why that one girl didn't drown when Katara and Toph kept the slurry from draining out >.> . . . that, and if the Fire Nation planners made it travel the whole way ABOVE ground out of arrogance alone >.<
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doza
Sept 19, 2006 16:56:48 GMT -6

Post by doza on Sept 19, 2006 16:56:48 GMT -6

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You mean Ty-lee? I'm not sure...uh...It might have been because of the shows' rateing thing. Which is pg I think?
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reika
Sept 19, 2006 18:43:27 GMT -6

Post by reika on Sept 19, 2006 18:43:27 GMT -6

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Naw, I think she could just hold her breathe for a rather long time. Either than that, there was an air-pocket at the top of the pipe where she received the needed oxygen. Really, I don't know, but it's a cartoon, so some knowelege and sciences don't really apply...
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akailen
Sept 19, 2006 18:47:10 GMT -6

Post by akailen on Sept 19, 2006 18:47:10 GMT -6

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I would have to say that Iroh's siege was the best one as his army made it through the outer wall. Technically the drill also made it through, but it remains to be seen as to whether or not it does the fire nation any good as it now lodged in the wall blocking their path.

I agree with Kazukie. Ty-lee did not drown due to this being a kid's show. Now, barring that, I suppose one could propose that she managed to keep herself to the back somehow and we just could not see her, or she may have used the entry tubes as breathing holes, though most likely they would have filled up as well.

As to why the drill traveled above ground, as large as that thing was, they would have needed to go very deep under ground to avoid detection. I don't think the drill had any way of altering its trajectory so even if they got right underneath the city, I don't think they would have a way of surfacing, not to mention unknowns they might run into. Arrogance certainly was a factor though as the warminister was certain there was nothing that could stop their assault.

Copper for your thoughts. :)
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doza
Sept 19, 2006 19:48:10 GMT -6

Post by doza on Sept 19, 2006 19:48:10 GMT -6

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Cool, someone agrees with me. ^-^ Oh yah, the 200 character rule. I don't think they would show someone drowning on a kids show. Or kids might try to do what they did! Which would be almost impossible...Well, it is impossible. It that 200 characters yet? I think it is so I'll leave it at that.

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sethwynd
Sept 19, 2006 19:59:04 GMT -6

Post by sethwynd on Sept 19, 2006 19:59:04 GMT -6

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*cracks over the head with a pipe* 200 character minimum.

And I thought it might have been because of the rating too, but I did remember Zhou being dragged under the water at the North Pole (and, since he didn't surface and hasn't been seen since, it's probably safe to say he drowned). So, that makes the odds of it being because of ratings alone kinda nil . . . I tend to over-analyze stuff like this though, I can't help it XD
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Anonymous
Sept 20, 2006 11:27:24 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2006 11:27:24 GMT -6

That's great, my thread worked !

For me, the most improved one is Iroh's since they broke the wall and without advanced technology like a drill. They did it with, I think catapults and trebuchets and they actually destroyed the wall. There was a great gap in that wall, it was really destroyed (not entirely, fortunately...). Moreover, the drill didn't manage to penetrate the wall, it just made contact and stayed inside since it didn't have the time to pass throughout.

The reason for Ty-Lee didn't drown is very simple. The water was also made of rocks, so that was a kind of mud. She didn't drown simply because you can't really drown in mud. Maybe she stayed on the rocks under the water/mud. Besides, the human body is too light to sink in that mixture, unlike in the water.

Next... oh, yeah. The drill. It travelled above the ground because it didn't need to go under the ground. The Drill was indestructible (it really was...). The only thing the war minister left behind is the fact that it could be destroyed by the inside. Or he would have left many guards to protect the inside of the Drill.

At my advice, the one which had the best leader is the one led by Iroh. He led it perfectly and they would have succeeded if Lu-Ten didn't have died. That means he would be Fire Lord now, Zuko would still be a Prince and the entire world would have been under the Fire Nation's control. Anyway, Azula didn't really lead the siege, she just sent nasty looks at the War Minister Ching, like if she was gonna eat him, and just tried to capture (no...to kill) the Avatar while her "friends" tried to stop the rest of the "Team Avatar" when they tried to disable the Drill.

I'm glad this thread works so good ! Ask, if you have any question about the Drill, Ba Sing Se, the episodes,....
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akailen
Sept 20, 2006 17:12:24 GMT -6

Post by akailen on Sept 20, 2006 17:12:24 GMT -6

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Moreover, the drill didn't manage to penetrate the wall, it just made contact and stayed inside since it didn't have the time to pass throughout.


Rewatch the episode. You will see the head of the drill come out of the other side of the wall. It even appears to have destroyed a house or two built along side of it in the process.

The reason for Ty-Lee didn't drown is very simple. The water was also made of rocks, so that was a kind of mud. She didn't drown simply because you can't really drown in mud.


You can drown in any liquidous material from water to mud to pudding. The way the pipes bulged after Toph joined Katara in bending the slurry, would indicate that they were completely full of the mixture and so it wouldn't matter if there were rocks to stand on or not, all of the air would have been pushed out as the pipes filled.

but I did remember Zhou being dragged under the water at the North Pole (and, since he didn't surface and hasn't been seen since, it's probably safe to say he drowned).


Oooooo, good point. I had not thought of that. Ty-lee is not an adult, however, and I have found that people have a lot more problems with the concept of a kid dying as opposed to an adult. But you are definitely right. Death is not off-limits. Now that I think of it, Yue "died" in a sense and she was not an adult so forget what I said before, death is not off-limits period. LOL

Copper for your thoughts. :)
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karl
Sept 21, 2006 14:32:46 GMT -6

Post by karl on Sept 21, 2006 14:32:46 GMT -6

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Note to the Ty Lee thing. She was at the edge of the pipe, sticking out into the air. Toph and Katara were just keeping it from coming out. She wasn't being pushed back in.

What I think is interesting is Azula and her lightning. Note that she never uses it in battle, only her superheated fire. Even when going after the avatar, she used fire.

The inside of Ba Sing Sei is seen very little. We see farms and the inside of the "subway" station, but not much else. Can't wait til next episode this Friday!

Toph: "Come on twinkletoes..."
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genshuku
Sept 22, 2006 16:24:34 GMT -6

Post by genshuku on Sept 22, 2006 16:24:34 GMT -6

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Yes about the fire thing, I never noticed that. I guess Azula never used lightning because it wasn't the smart thing to do at that moment. Lightning takes prep time and when you're fighting a spirit who has mastered the elements thousands of times, you might want to attack furiously and quickly. One other thing that bothered me, we see very little of Mai battle. We mostly see Ty Lee adn her fighting style. They way they made her out to be is like some sort of super human with her being able to take down all those Earthbenders that Sung called elite. We also see more of Azula's fighting in here as well with her use of fire giving a lot more understanding into her true level of ability. Aang's use of three of the elements adds to the fun as well and seeing how he uses his skills in their disciplines. which leaves me to say: "I want to see more of Mai and sokka fights. They seem to be underplayed in terms of fighting so far in the series. Mai, we have seen fight twice in the series, one in Return to Omashu and again in the Chase. Sokka, we haven't seen his full skill and what his warrior training at the North Pole has brought him. It is apparent that he's become more confident but I want to see him fight more and see where he stands.
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spirit300
Sept 24, 2006 20:54:09 GMT -6

Post by spirit300 on Sept 24, 2006 20:54:09 GMT -6

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genshuku said:
Yes about the fire thing, I never noticed that. I guess Azula never used lightning because it wasn't the smart thing to do at that moment. Lightning takes prep time and when you're fighting a spirit who has mastered the elements thousands of times, you might want to attack furiously and quickly. One other thing that bothered me, we see very little of Mai battle. We mostly see Ty Lee adn her fighting style. They way they made her out to be is like some sort of super human with her being able to take down all those Earthbenders that Sung called elite. We also see more of Azula's fighting in here as well with her use of fire giving a lot more understanding into her true level of ability. Aang's use of three of the elements adds to the fun as well and seeing how he uses his skills in their disciplines. which leaves me to say: "I want to see more of Mai and sokka fights. They seem to be underplayed in terms of fighting so far in the series. Mai, we have seen fight twice in the series, one in Return to Omashu and again in the Chase. Sokka, we haven't seen his full skill and what his warrior training at the North Pole has brought him. It is apparent that he's become more confident but I want to see him fight more and see where he stands.


Ty-lee aint no superhuman! she's a quick-witted, agile, cotortionist who hits pressure points causing unconsiousness or a lack of the ability to bend. its kinda like getting kicked in the balls, but this way, they are aloud to put it on a kids show
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