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Will Zuko be accepted in the GAang?

indianajane
Dec 5, 2007 9:03:28 GMT -6

Post by indianajane on Dec 5, 2007 9:03:28 GMT -6

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I was just wondering what ideas everyone had on whether or not Zuko would be accepted easily into the GAang. I figure Aang will have no problem with him joining, after the whole Blue Spirit and The Avatar and the Firelord episodes. A friend of mine thinks that eventually Aang will be jealous of Zuko and Katara, for reasons unknown to me. I think that Katara will be more reluctant, because back at the Earth season finale she thought he'd changed but they ended up fighting. So I think she will think its a trap or something and not trust him. Sokka will probably be about the same way too. Has Toph even met Zuko before? Toph I'm not sure about. Also, what do you think Zuko will do once he joins the group? Teach Aang Firebending? Opinions wanted. ^.^

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kirusuten
Dec 5, 2007 9:47:31 GMT -6

Post by kirusuten on Dec 5, 2007 9:47:31 GMT -6

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Hm...Well, I'm still trying to find out when the show actually comes on Eastern US time so that I can catch up but...

Yes, I think that, though I know nothing about what's going on, he would easily be accepted. They need him. Sokka might make some jokes and sarcastic remarks, Aang would understand to let him join because he's needed, and Katara may have a slight problem with it.

I always thought that either Zuko or Iroh would teach Aang firebending, since they're super-awesome and such. If Ursa knew firebending, which no one is sure of, I thought that she would show up at some point in the show and teach it to Aang so that he may conquer the Fire Nation. But, then again, we also don't know how truely evil she can be. She's a loving mother, but she hasn't shown this compassion to anyone outside her family. Only Iroh, her children, and Ozai.

As for the jealousy: Lol. Well, your friend is most likely right. In the episode where Katara and Zuko fight in the Northern Pole Water Tribe territory, he didn't want to betray her like that so suddenly. I think he really does like her, but in his mind he probably realized that giving in to her would cause problems with him capturing Aang and trying to be with her at the same time. He knew it wouldn't work out. But, that's okay, because what's-her-face likes him and he likes her. Lol.

o.O I like to talk.
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mishiko
Dec 5, 2007 10:46:10 GMT -6

Post by mishiko on Dec 5, 2007 10:46:10 GMT -6

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Aang might accept him somewhat. I don't think he'll accept him entirely, not after all they went through with Zuko hunting him down and trying to kill him and what not. If anyone will accept him though, it'll be Aang. Sokka might be somewhat okay with it. I'm not entirely sure though. Zuko did bonk him on the head in the first season, so I think Sokka might hold a bit of a grudge. Katara will not accept him at all at first. She'll be all like he betrayed us, he hunted us down, he's a Firebender. She'll probably think it's a trap and spy on him and stuff. And Toph hasn't met Zuko.

As for the whole jealously thing, I don't think Aang will be jealous. I mean, Zuko might like Katara, but she doesn't like him back, not right now at least. Besides Aang and Katara kissed. I don't think Katara will just leave Aang for Zuko, not after what Zuko did.

Ursa, it comes on at Friday night at 8:30 pm, but it's the newer episodes.
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kirusuten
Dec 5, 2007 11:15:01 GMT -6

Post by kirusuten on Dec 5, 2007 11:15:01 GMT -6

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Thank you. Btw, I never got to watch any episodes after Zuko Alone. So you sort of ruined part of Day of the Black Sun, or whatever. =( Lol. Oh well, I knew it would happen, anyway.

Ooo, I think Zuko will like Toph and her "I'ma beat you up" ways. =D
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ailin
Dec 5, 2007 11:29:25 GMT -6

Post by ailin on Dec 5, 2007 11:29:25 GMT -6

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One thing to consider is the state of the gAang at the time. If Zuko arrives immediately post-Day of the Black Sun, I think he'll have an even harder time of it. They've just come off of a colossal loss on their side, losing parents and adults to the Fire Nation prisons. Sokka was played like a fiddle by Azula, emotionally toyed with about the fact that his main squeeze is a prisoner and possibly gave up on him coming to help her. They are going to be at an emotional low point.

Now here comes Zuko, not only the Prince, but the guy who had doggedly chased them through the winter. He's kicked Katara's butt on one occasion, dragged Aang out into a blizzard, wrecked a lot of places he's chased them to (Southern Water Tribe, Kyoshi Village), and was somewhat responsible for Aang's injuries and the fall of Ba Sing Se. Without Zuko lending his support to Azula, it is very possible Katara and Aang combined would have defeated her (because Katara was doing pretty well on her own), and that could have led to an entirely different outcome. Even with Zuko just sitting it out on the sidelines and not helping Aang they would have ended up better off. He "betrayed" Katara to join psycho sister and that really ruined their "moment."

Showing up so suddenly would cause suspicion at the very least among the group. They will attack him first and ask questions later. Zuko is probably smart enough to only use his abilities to defend himself, or smart enough to not do anything at all. I'd suspect that they'd want Toph to use her lie detector abilities on him, but be wary whether it works on him (since Azula was so good she could bypass it). They'd probably make him tell a blatant lie as truthfully as possible to get a gauge. Zuko's a pretty lame liar, so that might help him in the long run.

Having said all that, I'm thinking that absolutely no one in the group will want to see Zuko at all.They will be openly hostile to him, and not trust him in the absolute least. After all, he could be a spy sent by Azula, right? Or he's working on his own to gain their trust only to hand Aang over to the Fire Lord at the very last minute. This is pretty much what I think the attitudes of the gAang will be when Zuko first approaches them:

Toph: she has the least personal grudge against Zuko, but that doesn't 'make it any easier. The others have told her how Zuko has pursued them for months on end, she's well acquainted with his sister and her brand of evil, and is probably pissed that he betrayed Uncle Iroh at Ba Sing Se, keeping in mind that Toph considers Iroh a friend of hers. That said, she is aware that Uncle Iroh had said his nephew was "lost," and both have an independent streak to them. Eventually, she'll probably give Zuko some nickname (hothead, adopting Sokka's angry jerk name, whatever), and they could have a good friendship. But at first she's gonna be all kinds of suspicious. Oh, and she has met Zuko in person once before, at the end of the Chase. Then Azula injured Iroh, Zuko threw a fit and drove them away.

Aang: He is emotionally in a bad spot right now. There's still some ambiguity with his relationship with Katara, and he suffered a bad loss at the Invasion. This could mean he'll be more surly and suspicious than usual. After all, Aang has offered Zuko friendship before, but it had been thrown right back at him. The two have come to blows so many times that it's hard to let all that go. What helps Zuko's case is the lesson Roku imparted to him, and that Zuko has gotten a hold of the royal artifact that Roku wore. He could possibly be the easiest to win over, but Zuko still will have a lot of explaining to do. And if Zuko ever looks at Katara, it could spark that jealous streak Aang showed in Ba Sing Se. Even if Zuko means absolutely nothing by it. Once they work past the trust issue, there could be some awesome comedic moments with Aang learning firebending.

Sokka: I can see him either being easier or more difficult. Sokka has arguably held the hardest grudge against the Fire Nation from the beginning, and can be suspicious as all get out. He's very aware of all of Zuko's misdeeds, and told Iroh he didn't want to help Zuko until he had good "on the outside as well." He could be feeling very antagonistic after his encounter with Azula and take it out on Zuko. If Zuko doesn't strike back, I think it'd bode better for him. Odds are, Sokka will take a long while to win over. He will follow his instincts (which do tend to lead him right a good deal of the time), and watch Zuko like a hawk (but not Hawkey ;)). If Zuko could potentially help Sokka bust Suki out of prison, or perform some sort of act of sacrifice for the gAang, I can see Sokka letting go of the grudge to the point where they could be teammates. Personally, I would love to see them work as partners, like buddy cops, with their swords to kick some serious tail. The show has made a few parallels between the two (though not as much as Aang and Zuko), so the two definitely have some things in common. Just seeing Sokka use his sarcastic wit on Zuko would be hilarious. Zuko could prove his usefulness by tipping off a possible use for Sokka's White Lotus Tile.

Katara: She will be the hardest to win over, feeling personally betrayed by Zuko and witnessing first hand Aang's 'death.' Katara can hold grudges probably just as good as her brother, and when you mix in anger at Zuko as a person and not just as "Fire Nation Prince" you've got a recipe for some bad juju. She will be fast to attack him, freeze him, shoot water at him, smack him around on a regular basis, what have you. Zuko will need to not just explain himself, but be calm, self-sacrificing, and a team player to even get Katara to ease up.

One other factor that could help win their trust is Appa. Although Appa is well aware of all the bad stuff Zuko has done, the last time he really saw him was when Zuko released him from the Dai Li's dungeon under Lake Laogai. I doubt that Appa will forget that act of kindness, in comparison to him witnessing Azula's assault on Suki and the Kyoshi Warriors. Appa might even lick Zuko as a belated 'thank you' for what he did. This should be not only hilarious, but cause the gAang to stop and think about things for a moment. Possibly long enough for Zuko to explain himself.

Only one other thing hurts Zuko's chances with the gAang: Combustion Man. In true Zuko Bad Luck fashion, I'm pegging him to show up after Zuko's earned a good deal of trust from the gAang. He will then have to explain that yes, he hired an assassin but that was back when he was stupid and bad, and he's oh so very sorry. Much drama will be had.

No matter what, I find Zuko joining the gAang to be a situation full of awkward hilarity and drama. I really look forward to it and I do peg Zuko to teach firebending to Aang at one point. The guy is now good enough to redirect lightning back at the "baddest guy on the planet" and that has to count for something.
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kirusuten
Dec 5, 2007 12:31:44 GMT -6

Post by kirusuten on Dec 5, 2007 12:31:44 GMT -6

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I've decided to stop reading, now, because everyone keeps ruining the episodes I missed for me.

But, last thing I have to say about Aang trusting him:

You have to understand that, you're right. He did give Zuko a lot of chances. It's because of the good in his heart, and Aang isn't one to just flat out be mean to someone as soon as they approach.

With the dialogue all anime creators use, they will talk before fighting. Zuko might say something like, "Look, listen!" You know, in his impatient way. He'll try to get his words out before they can do anything, and knowing them they won't interrupt him, none of them are aggressive like that.

The only character that would be aggressive is Toph. And like you said, she would be the least likely to have any grudge on him. Aang will listen, and will pretty much, after a long enough explanation, let him join. Sokka isn't the type to be serious all the time, so either he will let the others do all the talking and just, in the background, make some sort of insult or joke, or he is in a bad mood before Zuko got there and might keep him from explaining himself.

Yes, you're right, Katara is the hardest to let anyone earn their trust. She did get betrayed by him once, but if Aang tells her not to beat the living crap out of him, she won't. She's whipped like that. =) Well...He is, too. Lol.

Done.
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Anonymous
Dec 8, 2007 17:54:37 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 17:54:37 GMT -6

Ai Lin has basically stretched out my response to this thread. Anywho...

At first our beloved Prince will not be accepted. That acceptace will happen over time and over a life saving episode. The only person in the GAang that can tell whether people are lying is Toph and her power failed when put up against Azula's incredible talents. So they can't rely on her to prove whether or no he is truly being honest.

In the end, the only things that are going to help Zuko become accepted are the good deeds in his life. Helping Appa, and having Iroh's thumbs up might help get in.

I think Ai Lin said this, that once the Combustion man comes back it will really get good. I cannot wait until that happens, Zuko trying to explain that...haha hilarious.
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Anonymous
Dec 8, 2007 19:39:37 GMT -6

Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 19:39:37 GMT -6

I think Zuko joining the Gaang would be the best part of the show. I mean at first i hated Zuko so much, he was just an easy target for hate on the show. But after seeing episodes with his past like "Zuko Alone" i got to understand him better, and soon enough i grew to like him. Zuko really isn't so bad, i mean it will take time i guess for the Gaang to get use to him, and Princess Ursa, i also have a feeling that Ursa herself ( if she is alive ) could be the one who could teach Aang to bend if she can bend i mean, that would just be too cool. Although Zuko and Iroh are great masters for Aang to learn from.

Now within the group these are the reactions I'm hoping on seeing from the Gaang. Toph i think wont have a problem with Zuko, i mean she barely knows him. I know that Sokka and Aang will not be glad to see him, and for Katara i don't think she will get along with him at all, i mean i hope Zuko does not interfere with the whole love thing Aang has for Katara, and i don't think that Zuko will even try that cause even though he is away he still loves Mai.
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blink
Dec 9, 2007 22:25:09 GMT -6

Post by blink on Dec 9, 2007 22:25:09 GMT -6

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Me personally? I hope that Zuko is not accepted right off the bat, and that in fact, he gets mugged, beaten, and tossed in whatever prison cell-like room the exspanded Gaang has aviable. The boy needs some physical represal for his lousy attitude, and most fittingly, his redemption will come from either beating back the unstoppable Combustion Man he sicced on the group and/or Iroh, whose street cred with the Gaang is through the stratusphere thanks to the Ba Singh Sae Incident, showing up to vouch for him, figuratively completely his penance.

Of course, we don't have a whole lot of time to spin this out, elven or so episodes which include a four part finallie. *crosses fingers in the hope they don't rush this whatever they do* An episode or two with him stuck in a dungeon without screentime before he gets redeemed would feel fitting to me. Another interesting question... What was in that letter to Mai, and will it prompt her to hate him for leaving and work with Azula, or understand his departure and betray Azula/Ozai at a crucial juncture?
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kirusuten
Dec 11, 2007 9:52:35 GMT -6

Post by kirusuten on Dec 11, 2007 9:52:35 GMT -6

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Oh oh oh!!! Okay, so, I finally got to watch every single episode, which I cannot wait to see the next one once it gets put on the website I view them on.

Omg! I still think that Zuko will be accepted. The team is at a state of complete need for help. Yes, Azula knows they're going to attack again, but not when, though the nation will be ready.

I'm sticking with my views:

After a long enough explaination and enough talking, Zuko will be accepted. Everyone will be watching him like hawks, but yeah... >.> Go team!
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